Consensus Conference on glucose monitoring, patient input needed!

Update on this post, made September 30, 2014: read the document that came out of the Consensus Conference, where community comments below were shared and discussed.

Short video and article about the Consensus Conference, published in BusinessWire on September 30th.

On September 28th there will be a Consensus Conference in DC, in which representatives from (1) government, payers, employers; (2) advocacy groups; (3) industry; (4) and medical/scientific professional societies are invited to participate.

The goal will be for each of these four groups to draft a consensus statement to be presented at a Congressional Briefing by the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists (AACE). Each group will be asked to answer the same 4 questions/groups of questions:

1. What data support glucose monitoring (as distinct from glycemic control) as a means to prevent diabetic macro- and microvascular complications?
a. Does frequency of glucose monitoring correlate with better outcomes?
b. Which patients benefit the most from rigorous glucose monitoring?
c. Does strip accuracy and/or CGM accuracy correlate with better outcomes?

2. Can the FDA improve post-approval surveillance of strip/meter/CGM quality?
a. Does sub-standard glycemic monitoring technology harm patients? If so, what data exist to support such a claim? Are all manufacturers required to report this data to the FDA?
b. What is the current state of affairs at the FDA in post marketing meter and CGM surveillance?
c. What enforcement options are available to the FDA and how are they implemented?

3. Does current Medicare policy balance the need to provide patient access to high quality care and effective glucose monitoring and to control program costs and, if not, what policy changes are needed with respect to:
a. Patient Access to BGMS supplies under the Competitive Bidding Program (medical necessity attestation and other paperwork requirements for physicians’ offices vs. potential fraud and abuse, access to blood glucose test strips that are accurate and reproducible)
b. Patient access to CGM technology (access by appropriate patients)

4. What is the most effective way for the key stakeholders to achieve equitable, evidence-based, cost-effective regulation of glucose (blood, continuous) monitoring technology?


As members of TuDiabetes we are all patient representatives. Let's answer and discuss these questions! Main points of the discussion below will be shared with AACE as part of the "patient perspective" prior to the 9/28 meeting.

I applaud efforts like this to influence government regulators to influence policy to serve people with diabetes better.



Am I reading too much into what’s presented here as omitting the patient from these discussions? It may be that our interests are aligned well enough with one or more of the explicitly addressed meeting invitees but I wonder why we haven’t been included. Perhaps we fall under the “advocacy groups” category.

I'm with Terry--Why isn't Manny there or his equivalent?

I will be there. This discussion topic is meant as a mechanism to collect inputs from the community, so that it's not "Manny's input" but comments and feedback from the members of TuDiabetes and the broader diabetes online community as well.

I think some of what needs to be conveyed is the dire need for the lion's share of T1s and many insulin-dependent T2s to be able to continuously monitor their blood sugar (CGM). The way we shake our heads that diabetics decades ago had to monitor their blood sugar through urine which told the results of what the sugars were a few hours prior can be equated to how blindly doing a fingerstick 4-5 times per day doesn't give any indication where blood glucose was or is headed or how to dose the delicate hormone insulin. What so many without diabetes don't understand is just how essential it is to continuously know what your blood sugars are and their direction. "100 isn't always 100." If one is 100 and fallen rapidly, carbs are needed ASAP. If one is 100 and rising rapidly, insulin is needed to head off a glucose spike and micro vascular damage.
Aren't there studies that have proven that patients on an accurate CGM (sorry Medtronic) have lower A1Cs than those not on a CGM? Wouldn't those kind of facts be indisputable? Additionally, the same facts are true of sub-par and inaccurate test strips. With something as sensitive as insulin, a testing error can be deadly since the results of those tests dose insulin/carbs.

I agree with you denise
Why doesn’t Medicare cover cgm ?

In the debate over cost vs care (Issue #3), several factors need to be considered in the calculation of total cost, beyond the cost of test strips and CGMs:
cost of hospitalizations due to DKA and severe hypoglycemia
cost of specialist care (dialysis, cardiac surgeons, orthopedic surgeons)
nursing home/ rehab facility care
loss of income of disabled or deceased
loss of income from individual doing the tasks of person now disabled or deceased
unemployment costs
loss of tax revenue from disabled or deceased

I'm sure others can chime in on the ones I've not mentioned.

CGM Works!! For me, at least, using the Dexcom 4 and finding it's accuracy so good, especially on week 2, that I now get in trouble with Medicare for not doing enough 'finger sticks' but I'm working on it to not cause trouble. Medicare NEEDS to cover CGM. Mine woke me last night due to an unexpected low, it likely saved my life or at least the expense to Medicare for an ER visit. My A1c has been so consistent with CGM and I will continue to pay for it out of pocket even if I can't afford it financially, I Can't not afford it for my health!!

I was recently put into Medicare by my "friends" at the Social Security Administration andcwas stunned to learn that my CGM sensors aren't covered. An insulin pump and CGM have been true lifesavers for me. I am a recent widow who lives alone. In 54 years with (Type 1) diabetes I have experienced many instances of severe hypoglycemia, some requiring assistance from my spouse and/or medical personnel. CGM has allieed me to feel safe living alone in my home. My previous insurance carrier--Blue Cross Blue Shield of Texas covered everything. It's now secondary and i am amazed at the mess getting everything coordinated has become. I u derstand why sone diabetics just give up. I don't intend to give up. Please urge Medicare coverage for continuous glucose monitoring.

Overall comment: so far as blood glucose monitoring is concerned it is essential to distinguish diabetics with no residual insulin production capability from those who are able to produce a reduced (even a considerably reduced) amount of insulin.

Scientific papers invariably draw the distinction, but when the press quotes scientists and sometimes when scientists and, particularly, doctors speak to the press no distinction is made. This leads to blanket assertions that clearly don't apply to all diabetics and that can result in under-prescription of test strips.

1. What data support glucose monitoring (as distinct from glycemic control) as a means to prevent diabetic macro- and microvascular complications?

a. Does frequency of glucose monitoring correlate with better outcomes?
It is true that test frequency is probably the only metric scientists can gather reliably over a long time period, however the metric is likely to be insufficient and misleading on its own; no only is it absolutely necessary to know whether each subject produces any insulin (regardless of any anti-body based T1/T2 distinction), it is also necessary to know a lot about the life style of each subject. Someone who eats three times a day with absolute regularity is likely to show different results compared to an otherwise identical individual who eats unpredictably. Likewise for exercise.
b. Which patients benefit the most from rigorous glucose monitoring?
At the risk of being overly sensitive I have a problem with a person who suffers from a disability being referred to as a "patient" simply because of the disability. The word "subject" is appropriate. Agreeing a test methodology to divide long term test subjects into groups (I believe the statistical term is "cohorts") is an essential first step, as implied by my comments above.
c. Does strip accuracy and/or CGM accuracy correlate with better outcomes?
As I've said before, "accuracy" must be itself divided into systematic and random errors. The effect of a systematic error on HbA1c is entirely predictable and a random error has no effect on HbA1c. The FDA, diabetic representatives and perhaps even some BG tester manufacturers need to understand this issue and need to *always* distinguish between the two sorts of error. The information is in published papers and it is understood by the scientific community, it must be understood by doctors and representatives as well. Without this understanding any answer to (c) is meaningless.

2. Can the FDA improve post-approval surveillance of strip/meter/CGM quality?

The whole of this section depends on first having the understanding of the two sorts of errors (1(c)). In addition it is essential to also understand the current errors in food labelling; there are two sources of such error:

1) Random errors in food labels. The most accurate US requirement for food labelling of carbohydrate values permits errors of at least 20% and in some cases does not limit the error. The errors permitted also depend on the nature of the carbohydrate.
2) Systematic errors in the labelling of food with dietary fibre (cellulose) because of the inclusion of the undigestable fibre in the total carbohydrate count. It's easy for a diabetic to forget to do the subtraction and thus overdose insulin.

US food labels do not meet the needs of diabetics (all diabetics) because they are not designed for diabetics - they are designed for people trying to lose weight.

Labels should contain a range for digestible carbohydrate; without this any random errors in our blood glucose measurement are irrelevant.

Systematic errors in blood glucose meters are much more serious. The testing of blood glucose meters that came out as "accurate" in a previous paper revealed that inter-lot variability on a given, "accurate", meter easily produces systematic 5% errors and, in one case (the OneTouch Verio Pro) showed a fairly consistent 8.8% systematic error. There are two very important issues:

1) A given meter may consistently read higher or lower than the correct value; in the very small survey published in the Journal of Diabetes Science and Techonology (2012;6(5):1076-1086) the OneTouch meter read (consistently) 10% high and the FreeStyle meter read on average (not so consistent) 4% low.
2) Changing to a new test strip lot, or changing to a new meter, may result in a consistent shift in readings: 14% in the above case. This will result in a corresponding change to HbA1c. There is no way for a diabetic to know this is happening; a diabetic who manages to achieve an HbA1c of 7.0 with a given regime and the OneTouch meter will suddently see her HbA1c jump to 8.0 after swapping to the FreeStyle meter. The same bad result can happen with just a change in test strip lots with the Pura/mylife meter tested in the same study!

A third problem arises with the current FDA measurement standard; the distribution of samples used in testing and the statistical methods used to test conformance. In fact insulin dependent diabetics target a particular blood sugar, normally in the range 80mg/dl to 120mg/dl. So far as long term effects are concerned errors in readings substantially above or below the target are irrelevant, indeed this is also the case with most short term effects (though over-reading a low blood sugar is potentially deadly.)

This means that, from a treatment point of view, the primary issue is whether the BG meter correctly reports the subject blood as above or below the target! The amount above or below is only relevant for the correction dose of insulin or food and, for small deviations from the target, the correction itself can be incredibly inaccurate anyway.

This is just a different statistical analysis of the same test data; not extra testing cost is required, therefore the FDA should modify the requirements to have stated requirements for accuracy relative to the well established target blood glucose values.

4. What is the most effective way for the key stakeholders to achieve equitable, evidence-based, cost-effective regulation of glucose (blood, continuous) monitoring technology?

I don't see this as an issue in the long term. The technology is evolving and it is getting cheaper. Prior to the ACA I often had to purchase test strips myself because the cost of getting them through my health insurance was significantly greater. What I found is that cheap test strips are readily available and work just fine. We can expect to see the emergence of "generic" test strips in the future.

What matters, however, is that the current issues with systematic variations between the non-generic systems and even between lots of those systems are addressed by changing the standards to require more consistent behaviour when random errors are discounted. This needs to happen in conjuction with the European standards authorities so that both the CE and FDA requirements match. There will be some considerable pressure from US industry representatives, particularly pharmacists, to close the US market by deviating from global standards, but that's part of the separate issue of price management and control within the health care industry as a whole.

The more you test the better your control. If you were a CGM even though it is not totally accurate your A1C will be even better.
I used Dex.com for about 3 years. I had good A1C.
Testing supplies should be made less expensive. The Reli on brand is overall comparable to the expensive brands.

For me relion was too irregular. It was always higher than my freestyle by what would equate to a few units of insulin. Though it was significantly more affordable it was a risk I am unwilling to take. If I over correct based off of an inaccurate number what good is the meter?

On a kind of unrelated note, I would really like to not be told how many test strips I can use in a month by my insurance. This month has been particularly bad with errors on my meter and I know I am going to run out too early to refill smdh.

Dexcom is a very accurate CGM. Sometimes the test strip and the CGM have exactly the same results. Even with a CGM I double check with the test strip.
The cheaper test strip can be very accurate. Compare their results to more expensive products when you have time. You are correct a 70 point error would be very deadly.

My wife's algorithm: ask the pharmacist the exact day when the prescription can be refilled, enter the count of days into the calendar, call *every* day the prescription can be refilled, regardless of need.

One thing I like about living round here, there are lots of squirrels and they recognize a bigger squirrel when they see one.

My two points would be that glucose monitoring should be about supporting the patient centered care more, it informs the patient and then secondarily informs the healthcare provider. And second that asking the wrong questions guarantees the wrong answer. This isn't about glucose monitoring, it is about purposeful and actionable glucose monitoring.

Here are my comments on the questions:

1. What data support glucose monitoring (as distinct from glycemic control) as a means to prevent diabetic macro- and microvascular complications?

First, I would urge an appropriate interpretation of this question. Does “glucose monitoring that is used in an actionable manner” prevent complications? An MRI without appropriate action is totally useless so why would we support the use of glucose monitoring without action. As such, I would argue that any studies of glucose monitoring without action simply not be considered. I realize this will result in most of the studies being thrown out, but they are truly not relevant. Who hears a tree fall in the woods.

And now we get to the problem, there haven’t been sufficient studies of complication outcomes with this question and there is unlikely to ever be good complication outcome studies. All that we will ever have is epidemiological studies and because we have such strong evidence glycemic control is associated with complications we are extremely unlikely to ever be able to divine whether glucose monitor (as distinct from glycemic control) makes a difference. This is frankly a “loaded question” and has been framed in a way that is guaranteed that it cannot be answered affirmatively.

So I would recommend focusing on “actionable glucose monitoring” and accept that glycemic control is a more informative predictor of diabetic complications than will likely every come from what would no doubt be expensive, large and infeasible controlled studies.

  1. Does frequency of glucose monitoring correlate with better outcomes?

Frequency of glucose monitoring does correlate with better glycemic control, but we do accept that there is a point at which returns diminish and eventually disappear. For insulin dependent diabetics a testing regime in the morning, before and after meals, before driving, with exercise and when hypoglycemia is suspected (probably 6-10 times per day).

  1. Which patients benefit the most from rigorous glucose monitoring?

Patients that have learned about how to employ glucose monitoring in an actionable manner clearly benefit, those that just test and throw away the readings do not. Learning that carbs raise blood sugars and how to restrict carbs to meet postprandial goals. Measuring blood sugar to achieve proper dosing of insulin. And monitoring blood sugars to maintain patient safety, particularly while driving, exercising and potentially experiencing hypoglycemia

  1. Does strip accuracy and/or CGM accuracy correlate with better outcomes?

The accuracy is insufficient to support patients that seek tight blood sugar control. Strips are only accurate to +/- 20% under lab conditions and unfortunately under patient use that accuracy is further degraded due to variability in use conditions. A patient that measures their blood sugar at 120 mg/dl (equivalent to an A1c of 6%) can actually have an average blood sugar of 100 mg/dl (an A1c of 5.1%) or 151 mg/dl (an A1c of nearly 7%). If a patient cannot use their meter to differentiate between what we would consider out of control blood sugars and exceedingly tight then we clearly should have little expectation of good outcomes.

2. Can the FDA improve post-approval surveillance of strip/meter/CGM quality?

Post approval surveillance can make a big difference. It will not only assure that strip makers maintain the original accuracy but if done properly it will provide transparency into the ongoing accuracy of strips and allow consumers and practitioners to make informed choices. While it is obvious to patients that meter systems have very different accuracy and performance the current system fails to make that information available and many quite substandard meters and strips are allowed to compete simply on price.

  1. Does sub-standard glycemic monitoring technology harm patients? If so, what data exist to support such a claim? Are all manufacturers required to report this data to the FDA?

We claim that substandard monitoring harms patients but that only the most egregious errors resulting in death or hospitalization are routinely reported. The vast majority of harm is below that threshold and occurs multiple times each day for the vast majority of patients that employ monitors. Without changes to the current system that harm will not be visible.

  1. What is the current state of affairs at the FDA in post marketing meter and CGM surveillance?

As a patient, I don’t believe the FDA has yet accepted its role in post marketing surveillance in this area. The CDC has adopted a role with respect to the HbA1c through NGSP and not only has set standards and performs post marketing surveillance, but it makes all that information publicly and readily available which has driven the accuracy for the HbA1c test from +/- 15% to below +/-7%, s significant achievement. Unfortunately the CDC has not regulatory authority. There is no reason the FDA (and/or the CDC) could not do the same for glucose monitoring.

  1. What enforcement options are available to the FDA and how are they implemented?

The FDA could withdraw approval for meters/strips that repeatedly fail to meet criteria.

3. Does current Medicare policy balance the need to provide patient access to high quality care and effective glucose monitoring and to control program costs and, if not, what policy changes are needed with respect to:

Current Medicare policy fails to establish reasonable levels of quality, accuracy and performance for glucose monitoring supplies. This is mostly a problem with meters where sub-standard meters have almost universally been selected based simply on cost. Medicare itself should institute a minimum set of quality/accuracy standards and probably institute its own surveillance program

a. Patient Access to BGMS supplies under the Competitive Bidding Program (medical necessity attestation and other paperwork requirements for physicians’ offices vs. potential fraud and abuse, access to blood glucose test strips that are accurate and reproducible)

b. Patient access to CGM technology (access by appropriate patients)

4. What is the most effective way for the key stakeholders to achieve equitable, evidence-based, cost-effective regulation of glucose (blood, continuous) monitoring technology?

Ask the right questions. All glucose monitoring should be actionable and in the vast majority of the cases those actions are “patient actions.” Don’t ask the wrong question about what a health practitioner will do with glucose monitoring data, the answer is usually nothing.

And unless the government wishes to spend a long time and a huge amount of money studying long term outcomes it would be better to simply accept what we learned from the DCCT. Achieving better glycemic control reduces complications. Period. If actionable use of glucose monitoring improves glycemic control we should accept that it will also reduce complications.

i don't think it matters which meter you use, as long as you always use the same one
each meter gives a different bg number
also insurance &/ or medicare should not tell us when &/ or how much to test
each patient hs different needs & also each day is different
only WE WITH D KNOW THAT
INSURANCE & MEDICARE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT D