Video Chat with Tom and Richard

There was a video chat with Tom Beatson and Richard Vaughn on Friday. I didn’t watch it live, but watched it tonight. This is the link:

Tom has had Type 1 for 70 years and Richard for 67 years. Makes the rest of us seem like wimps!

The one thing that struck me was that Tom is an engineer and Richard a mathematics professor. I consider myself a numbers nerd. Does diabetes make us that way or does God only give diabetes to people who can deal with counting and computing every minute of their life?

I don't do that much counting or computing. I let my pump calculate stuff, I look at the pump reports and, if it's "off", I make changes but that's about it.

You might be on to something there. Math was always my best subject in school. Just think, if I had failed algebra 2 I might have avoided this scourge, well maybe not.

I'm pretty sure God had nothing to do with me getting D. I think it was a bad combination of genes and a virus. And I know plenty of folks with D who can't do math, so I would not say that D makes any of us better at math or numbers. What I did get out of the talk was Richard chews but does not swallow and both Richard and Tom were giving themselves shots at 10 years of age. But back then they didn't actually have to count anything, just take the same shot of insulin at the same time every day. They are both my heroes , but I don't consider myself a wimp because I have only had D for 37 1/2 years.

Ok, I'm probably going to regret this but "chews but does not swallow... what??

Ok, nobody's answering my question, so I'll assume we're talking about food. Can I ask the context in which this was discussed?

I didn't get a chance to watch the video. I think I've seen Richard mention that before and assumed he was talking about eating and spitting stuff out. I've done that a couple of times, like if I eat 10 jellybeans and think "oh wait, let's try 7..." I'll spit a couple into the trash but not with actual food. I'll eat and bolus and roll the dice to see what happens on my meter.

And was this mentioned as a "useful technique" or as a problem?

it was mentioned as a useful technique to be able to enjoy the taste of foods, but not get all the carbs/rise in BG. For example, I think he mentioned potato chips.

Oyyyyy! Chewing and spitting is eating disordered behavior. It is extremely unhealthy and can have medical repercussions.For example, people with this disorder can experience physical problems, such as swollen glands, mouth sores, cavities, cracked teeth, sore throats, and irritated or ulcerated stomachs. When a person begins to eat the salivary glands cause stomach acids to flow. Because the person has spit out their food, these acids instead work on the mouth and stomach, resulting in the problems described above. It is also addictive and can lead to other eating disordered behavior. It is NOT a good idea, or reasonable way to manage carbs. I strongly suggest that anyone engaging in this behavior seek help from a therapist experienced with eating disorders. I respect Richard and don't want to make this personal, but I also don't want people to see this as a "useful technique" when it is unhealthy both physically and psychologically. There are many healthy ways to find a reasonable level of carb intake for the individual and cover it with insulin. For those who need to control weight, it's not easy but it can be done without engaging in unhealthy practices. Chewing and spitting might not be as dangerous as diabulimia but it does have consequences and can lead to more severe restricting.

I'm sorry if I've offended anyone but I'm very opposed to presenting eating disordered behavior as healthy or "a useful technique" to manage D.

I agree! I've only done it when my hypo eyes are bigger than my blood sugar and eat most of what I put in. I'm very fussy about treating lows, which may be it's own sort of disorder. No cracked teeth but I can only recall having done it a bunch of times, I can't speak for Richard. I don't have any cavities although I've busted a couple of teeth over the years.

Richard didn't advise this behavior. All he said was that it had worked for him over the years and after 67 healthy years with D, though it is not something I would even dream of doing, I am not going to argue with his success.

I agree there's a huge success story there however I think that it's reasonable for someone, particularly someone with professional expertise like Zoe, or diabetical expertise, like everyone, to offer the opinion that chewing one's food and spitting it out isn't necessarily healthy. A lot of members have mentioned struggles with various eating disorders and to suggest that the key to success is to chew and spit may not work as reliably for everyone. I am waaaay to addicted to potato chips to spit them out. I think that the big lesson is to be constantly experimenting, trying different ways to make things work. I have certainly done my fair of horrible things (heh heh heh) that are not recommended by any doctor anywhere but I have learned a lot through various totally unscientific experiments and online dialogues too.

I don't think that Richard needs to defend himself, with the duration of his experience, he's already "won" the "game." I totally appreciate Zoe's information about the dental health aspect ChewSpitting as I was not aware there was that particular risk, although I am only spitting to adjust glucose doses when I'm low too. Most of the time I'm chewing and eating and chewing some more!

Richard seems to have interesting technique with his carbs and seems to have done no harm to him self so good for him,As some one who has suffered with weight issue disorders for past 27 years,I some how think i would not be taking it up