It has definitely crossed my mind and it's something I'm going to be discussing with my doc the next visit. Victoza has leveled me out beautifully now, with absolutely no side effects and I'm back down to normal sugar levels, without too much diet change. Meaning more than I've changed it since my DX last year. But it is something I'm going to discuss with him.
Once again, your ignorant arrogance is on display.
Of course T2's can do something about it. T1's can do something about their condition as well.
In no cases, however, is the condition cured. Rather, in all cases, it can be treated and managed. T1, T2, LADA.
The only problem here is that many T2's aren't interested in the treatment course you recommend. Your recommendation doesn't cure them, it simply trades one burden for another, one constraint on their life for another.
You're stubborn inability to understand this simple logic, and your obnoxious insulting of others because of your ignorance is what makes you unwelcome here.
A cure for a T2 would mean they could live and do anything a non-diabetic can do.
That's a cure. You propose nothing novel or interesting -- simply another means of treating the condition, that meets your personal criteria of avoiding medication or insulin.
Big deal.
The first scientifically accurate posting you've made in this thread, and one I can agree with 100%.
He's right about the basic metabolic action of insulin, though, Kassi.
Insulin promotes takeup and conversion of glucose by adipose tissue into fatty acids. Low insulin levels cause the opposite effect in fat cells.
That doesn't detract from anything you said above -- you're correct too.
He doesn't like the fact that you aren't willing to treat your condition the way he wants you to.
He is so narrow-minded that he feels that what he values, and does not value, should apply to everyone. If they disagree, they're whiners, idiots, in denial, and on and on.
I've been deliberately very harsh in my rhetoric with this cretin, because his BS is infuriating.
I'm a T2, and know quite well that I could treat my condition as he advises, and get good results. However, he's an ignoramus to refer to that as a "cure", and then chastise me and others for choosing differently.
Like I said, I'm not willing to live on pressed wheat grass juice and steamed oak leaves. That may work for the Dean's out there, and more power to them! I make no criticism of how they choose to manage their diabetes.
That's not for me. I love food. I love to cook. I love eating out at fine restaurants. None of this is unhealthy (most of the time), but in no way is compatible with the sort of treatment regimen the Dean narcisists insist is a "cure".
This whole blowup on TuD really is very simple. It has nothing at all to do with ignorance or denial on many T2's part. It is simply about arrogant narrow-mindedness on the part of Dean, arbitrarily calling one treatment mode a "cure" and others not, then criticizing people for having different values in pursuing their happiness than him.
I'm not giving up the pleasure of expertly crafted lobster over pasta at Roy's at the Inn at Spanish Bay to manage my condition. No, I'm choosing to be able to have that pleasure, and manage my body's response with some exogenous insulin.
Achieving just as healthy an outcome as the wheat grass juice drinking Deans of the world.
But arguably with far greater pleasure.
Are you pumping, Kassi?
That makes sense.
There are also plenty of exceptional endos out there that, even though not diabetic themselves, specialize exclusively in treating diabetics. That describes my endo.
I have an excellent, knowlegable care team. Ironically, my GP is the most uninformed, but that doesn't bother me -- I have the right people handling the diabetes. He handles all the "general" stuff. And he has the right humility about what he does, and doesn't know.
So, finding the right providers is key. Anyone with even marginally decent insurance should be able to get a good care team put together. Sometimes it may take some "squeeking" so the the "wheel gets greased". However, trust me: Be a gadfly, and you'll get what you're after most of the time.
Dave, you seem to have found time to comment on nearly 14 days of posts on a very emotional and passionate topic, yet in all your griping about other peoples thoughts, putting them down because they don't know what you know, you not once used their name. So effectively you are not really talking to anyone, and doing it a lot.
Every single person on this site has one thing in common, they are all different. No two diabetics are exactly the same. Please try not to be so vindictive, have a little passion for other people's problems, and remember this original post was talking about how people get fed up with others coming at them with cures.
There must be twenty different pathways to perfection in all these posts, so basically we are the ignorant pain in the butt people the original author was complaining about. Funny. You may need to step back and calm down a little.
I disagree.
What's missing for T2's is a recognition of what it really takes to control this condition -- insulin therapy. From day 1.
Because there is far lower risk of DKA, and people are generally squeamish about injections, the standard treatment protocols we've settled on is well short of fully treating the disease. Instead, T2's are treated to a "well enough" point, generally defined by A1c<=7-8%. And that's it.
Standard protocol doesn't really look at things like postprandial excursions, etc., parameters that newer research is starting to reveal is rather important.
I'm T2 and on a pump and a CGM. Not because I needed these things to achieve standard treatment objectives -- because after I went bananas and wound up in the ER, with a microalbumin over 500, I got terrified about my kidneys, amputation, blindness, etc.
That convinced me that, if I was to salvage what I can from this situation, I needed to get to non-diabetic BG control. NOW. I discovered that the technology is available to do that -- I just needed to get it.
That started my journey with my endo to get approved for both the Dex G4 and the Omnipod. Prior to that I was a maniac with MDI for 6 weeks.
On the pump and CGM, I'm nearly non-diabetic in terms of my BG. I'm still working out the mornings, but it'll get dialed in. And I have to say -- managing this condition is a breeze with these technologies... It's even fun in some ways, definitely interesting. Every engineer diabetic should get a pump and CGM -- their nature will make them one of their doctor's most compliant, successful patients!
Have an appointment next week for 3-month blood work. I can't wait. I was 11% in June, and an A1cNOW+ home test came out 6.3% last week. My endo is very optimistic my microalbumin will be back in or close to normal as well, since I have absolutely no symptoms of any diabetic complications, anywhere.
I'm T2, and treat with CGM/pump/metformin.
By Choice.
more like under 100...
That's not a cure. That's a mode of treatment.
As I said in a different reply: Is a person who lost a leg cured by a wheelchair?
Is a person with food allergies cured by avoiding those foods?
Of course not.
Please don't call things that are treatment strategies -- successful ones, to be sure, but treatment nonetheless -- cures.
It gives false hope.
"If what the doctors are saying is true than why the sudden high rate in type 2 diabetes in America? Obviously all the meds they sell you and all the advice isn't working."
Oh please...
T2 is increasing because obesity is a among one of a variety of contributing factors to insulin resistance in those genetically predisposed.
Obesity has been on the rise in the US for decades. It stands to reason, then, that the incidence of T2 diabetes would increase as well.
Also, diagnostic tools and techniques have improved over time as our understanding of the condition has grown. So, holding weight as a factor constant, there is a component of increased incidence due to patients being diagnosed that were missed before.
It is most certainly not because of some greedy conspiracy between doctors and drug companies. This garbage spewed by some here is akin to a blood libel. The truth is, doctors are just people, trying to do their job taking care of your health. Greedy frauds are few and far between.
Not if you choose to take control and get on insulin.
Then you can have that cornbread and 5 alarm chili now and then.
Coffee Tree up where the old Nut Tree was on Hwy 80 near Fairfield, CA? :-)
My opinion of the Canadian medical community has dropped greatly IF what you say about them is true...
Yes--the late, great Nut Tree/Coffee Tree
Wonderful memories as a kid stopping there with the family for dinner on the way back from skiing in the Sierras.
I miss that place...
I came to this thread late (obviously :-)). I was so infuriated by what he said to you, and his later responses, I was metaphorically foaming at the mouth! :-)
Wasn't until I'd already fulminated at most of his posts that I bothered to look at the dates, and then realized I was fighting a battle that was fought and ended many days ago!
Not to mention the toy store. We also ate fairly often on the patio, as it was cheap for a large family. Loved those south-of-the-border hot dogs--corn tortilla, refried beans, cheese, hot sauce, and a wiener.