Blood donation impact on A1c

I have been regularly donating blood for years (almost at 9 gallons with the Red Cross!), and I have heard that doing this artificially lowers A1cs. (example, article here)

My A1c this week was 5.7, but my average BG via Dexcom G7 was 139 over the past 90 days, GMI 6.6%. This is usually how it goes - A1c under 6, average BG in the 140s.

It makes me wonder if my A1c is my ACTUAL A1c, like does donating blood actually improve my overall health by lowering the amount of hemoglobin in my blood, therefore making me less prone to complications, etc?

And - if you don’t already, go donate blood! (At least in the US & Canada - other countries, YMMV.) :drop_of_blood:

As I understand the article, A1c is just an indicator to assess overall glycemic control. Artificially lowering A1c through blood donation doesn’t actually improve anything.

@Allison1 I’m curious how well does Dexcom Clarity’s GMI for 90 day correspond to your HbA1c?

It’s in my post - 6.6

Now I’m scared, I’ve always had great reading comprehension.

I was blackballed by Red Cross because of a crappy test they use for hepatitis C. My doc did a proper test which was negative. He said high triglycerides would skew the test RC used. I had high triglycerides until my cardiologist suggested Vascepa. Now they are well under 100.

So when RC came for our regular blood donor drive, I spoke with one of the nurses who took my information. I received a nasty letter from the director of Red Cross blood services- “DON’T EVER ATTEMPT TO DONATE BLOOD.”

Use of this bad test has disqualified many dedicated donors.

I don’t see that same offset. After 15+ gallons my 90 day GMI is 6.3 while my latest A1C is 6.2. That A1C is three months old but has been stable. I think the same is true for the GMI but I’ll have to take a look.

Yes, the Red Cross should use the latest tests. But I started donating before AIDS was a concern and it’s clear that the Red Cross testing regime is extremely conservative. They’re much more concerned about false negatives (infected blood getting out) than false positives (declined donations) and so may make different decisions than other medical practitioners in the adoption of new tests.

  • Greg
1 Like

My A1c is consistently lower than my GMI by about .3. The size of the discrepancy in your case makes it seem like the donating is having an effect. No idea, but I imagine the only health benefit to the “artificially” lower A1c is the knowledge that you achieved it by doing good for others. Also, even if your “real“ A1c is closer to your GMI, it’s still good.

1 Like

Ugh, that is awful to hear! I know things have changed over the past few years with qualifications changing. Maybe, if you really wanted to, you could talk to someone there again. Or donate through another organization!

1 Like

I didn’t read the original article, but the length of time a red blood cell lives definitely impacts HbA1c level. HbA1c simply measures what percent of red blood cells have been glycated. This tends to happen more frequently when BG is elevated, so there’s a very loose correlation that as BG goes up, so does HbA1c. But also, the longer any given red blood cell lives, the more opportunity it has to become glycated, regardless of average BG. When you give blood, you force your body to make new red blood cells, which simply haven’t had time to become glycated, hence the artificial lowering of HbA1c.

I have the opposite problem. My HbA1c is always insanely higher than my starts CGM stats. Maybe I should start giving blood! (I thought we weren’t allowed to???) Like, as much as 2% higher. It’s really gutting to go in to an appointment with 98% TIR and an estimated A1c in the 5s, only get blood work back that shows in the 7s. What’s even the point if I’m going to “fail” anyways when doing so well??? (Yes, i make sure my sensors are accurate. It’s not a data problem. It’s a me and the test problem.) So I’ve long been on a research mission to understand WHY. And more importantly, does it even matter what the A1c says if I’m taking excellent care of myself? My doctor and I have pretty much decided to ignore the bloodwork and go by the sensor data. I haven’t even done a HbA1c test in more than a year, maybe 2 I’d have to look it up, she just reports the Dexcom stat.

What I’ve learned is that the HbA1c test is absolute crap and really doesn’t tell us anything. It’s all we had for many decades and it was better than nothing, but it’s not what we’ve been lead to believe it is. There’s no mythical line in the sand where if your blood sugars look like this, then your HgA1c will look like this. You also can’t infer management from A1c alone, like we’ve been lead to believe. When you take a group of people and plot their average BG against their HbA1c, it’s a massive shotgun scatterplot of data. Dots all over the place They don’t all sit in a pretty row. If HgA1c is the only thing you look at, there are people who desperately need help that aren’t getting it because it’s not reflected in their A1c, and like me, there are people rocking it yet are failing to meet the recommended standards.

One such example:

There are so many things that skew HbA1c results. I learned that my living at high elevation is one of them. Iron levels impact HbA1c. Underlying health conditions that affect red blood cell longevity affect HbA1c. Even exercise affects red blood cell lifespan. Even your genetics skew HbA1c.

The thing I’ve not been able to figure out is if HbA1c even matters. It’s the metric all diabetes health studies are based on, because it’s all we had for so long. But I’ve never been able to find a study that specifically looks at the variances between measured HbA1c and TIR/average blood sugar/standard deviation, and how that affects outcomes. Am I just destined to have high BG complications even though I’m doing great? Or am I likely to circumvent them like others with similar CGM data? I’m 35 years since diagnosis. My management was really crappy the first 25 years, but I’ve been trying really hard the last 10. I did develope some diabetic retinopathy that’s been treated and resolved, but no other complications thus far. Fingers crossed.

1 Like

Thank you so much for your detailed response :slight_smile:

I have wondered the same thing. If your CGM is showing 98% TIR, you can’t argue with that. I have asked my providers in the past why they need it, and they just do. It seems like a waste when CGM data tells us SO MUCH MORE. I think part of the problem is, people outside of the endocrinology world don’t know how to interpret CGM data, and they “know” what an A1c means.

I’m almost 30 years in and have only had CGM for the past 12 years. Although I seem to be ok so far, I wonder what the effects of 18 years without CGM did to my body.

Where do you live? In the US and Canada at least, diabetes does not disqualify you from donating!

The reverse correlary to that is older RB cells are continually dying and being replaced. The way it was explained to me is A1c results are most accurate from day 1-30, less so from 31-60 and least accurate 61-90 days. RB cells live about 120 days but in any sample there will be few or none that old.

Not saying that regular blood donation makes one anemic, but chronic anemia will show a false lowering of HbA1c.

1 Like

The glycation or RBcs happens when the blood is released from your bone marrow. After that it won’t change. So a1c is the average as rbcs are released. RBcs live 3 months and so that’s why we call it a 3 month average.
If you donate blood, you are replacing rbcs at a fast rate and at what ever your blood sugar was at the time.
Also your a1 c is dependent that you are in normal range of hemoglobin. And if you donate, your hemoglobin will be low and therefore will give you a lower result.
It makes no sense to test a1c less than 2 weeks post donation, because it won’t be accurate.
Your health isn’t really better, the test is just not able to work right.
This is jus One reason that TIME in range is a much better indicator of glucose control.

2 Likes

Congrats on the blood donations! I gave blood back in the 1990’s a few times but was forced to stop when insulin-using diabetics were blanket-banned due to worries about mad cow disease. But in the past couple years those past-animal-insulin-use bans have been lifted and I can donate again and have been doing so regularly for a couple years now!

Whether I was giving blood or not, my A1C’s were always 0.5% or so less than the Dexcom clarity GMI. I don’t think I’ve seen a noticeable difference in A1C since I started giving blood again.

BTW: I am type A-negative so am strongly encouraged to do Power Red donations. Watch your iron levels! I take iron supplements a couple times a week.

2 Likes

From the mid 1990’s through circa 2020, if you had ever used any animal-based insulins you were banned from blood donations due to perceived risk of propogating mad cow disease.

Several decades after the start of the ban, there were zero known cases of insulin use spreading mad cow disease.

This ban was quietly lifted in the past few years by the American Red Cross. I began donating again circa 2023.

Other blood donation organizers have not yet changed their rules.

2 Likes

I take a supplement every day! Glad you’re in the donation club :slight_smile:

I have always lived in the US and it depends or did depend on who is handling the Blood donations for your area. At my last residence location the group that handled donations for that area wouldn’t let you donate if you were type 1. They wouldn’t even let you donate if you had had a migraine within 7 days. Interesting enough I donated as a misdiagnosed type 2, which is why I knew their migraine policy. Although I used to get around that by going to another location by the same group who accepted I had migraines and donated regularly and was fine. But it ended with the proper diagnosis of being a type 1.

Now of all things we have no easy way to donate where I live now. It’s a different group, it’s not Red Cross and I have no idea what they accept. But they only do blood donation drives once a year and you have to prearrange an appointment and that’s if you hear about them coming over and doing a blood drive.

1 Like