Health Insurance, Social Networks & Behavioral Change

Hello. Let me be as authentic as possible and say that I work for a very large health insurance company, and that what brings me to join this site is that I believe health insurance companies should be encouraging their members who are touched by diabetes to join social networks.

I have two questions for anybody who wishes to respond:

  1. Do social networks bring about positive behavioral change?

  2. Is there a role for insurance companies in this conversation, or is this level of mis-trust so high that they should just stay out?

Many of us may have been burned by insurance companies in the past, and I should say up front that I don’t have the knowledge or power to influence anybody’s specific insurance issue – even (sad to say) if it was with my own company. It’s an amazingly complex system. I will say that I used to be in higher education, but I left to join a health insurance company because it is the number one issue affecting our country. I believe the power of networks and communities haven’t yet been brought to bear on the issue. Your thoughts?

The answer to #1 is absolutely! I believe the key to being healthy should be a holistic approach; mind, body and spirit. Even though I am a T1 with no complications, and have a very supportive family, I have always felt a bit alone when it came to the disease and other people understanding my periodic frustrations. When finding tudiabetes, it felt great to have a place where others understood me, and I never felt judged. The tips I have learned here to help finetune my care is more than a doctor has ever given me. Don’t get me wrong, I have one of the best endocrinologists in the nation, but he can only tell me so much and I can only absorb so much in one visit. For the in-between visit issues that come up, or the issues I can research on this site, on my own time, is priceless.

As for insurance companies themselves being here, the only reason I would want them here is so that they could here that they need to change their ways and start being proactive. It is very frustrating for people like me to know that if I took poor care of myself, then the insurance would basically pay 100% for my care. But because of the proactive approach I choose to take, then I have to pay for all of my continuous glucose monitor and supplies myself. I have never cost my insurance anything more than prescriptions, regular labs, and doctor visits. You would think they would want me to continue this good care…something is wrong with this picture!

Sorry if I vented, but you asked:)

Hi Brian,
Thank you for being open about your work affiliation and thanks for joining our community.

I very much believe in the power of social networks and the positive impact they have on affecting patient behavior. I have gotten innumerable messages from members who have expressed how they have been able to improve their diabetes management and learn more about how to better do things related to it since they joined diabetes. Besides that, the fact that members join the community puts them in touch with others who are going through the same things they are going through: this has a VERY powerful emotional impact, because they realize the are not alone. As obvious as that may sound (because of the millions of people with diabetes), it is a reality that most people with diabetes simply go at it alone… and that can make the challenges more challenging and the successes (such as an improved A1C) not as rewarding (when you have good news, you normally want to share them!)

As for health insurance companies (in the US at least), for a long time they have not (in general) been connected to a very important reality:
While they are a business and they have stockholders to respond to, the business they chose to be in is one of facilitating things for patients to BE HEALTHY.

In my humble view, I think that profits have clouded that mission, resulting in millions of non-insured people that are left to fend by themselves when it comes to taking care of their health expenses.

The health insurance company that considers insuring individuals with diabetes is a company that will get millions in business! The premise is simple:
-If the patients can afford to access to the healthcare they need (including supplies, diabetes education and devices to help with diabetes management, such as Continuous Glucose Monitoring systems), they WILL take better care of themselves. And healthier patients are an excellent thing for insurance companies… as long as they are covered by them.

So what I am thinking is this can be a win-win situation:

  • Patients who are currently not “insurable” can win by finally getting access to the healthcare they need and WANT.
  • Health insurance companies can benefit by insuring patients that, through access to the healthcare they need, generate business for the company.

I am sure it is more complex than what I am describing it as… but I cannot tell you how complex can things get with diabetes when you are not insured.

I hope these thoughts and those of the rest of the members (I am going to make sure to pass this along to our membership, to get you as much feedback as possible) help you convey to your organization about our needs and hopes as patients.

Take care,

Q1 > I do believe a strong social network, online and off are extremely important.

Q2 > I do not trust insurance companies, at all. The level of greed is too high, And this comes from personal life experience, in addition to inside information from doctors, in my family, that are part of the system.

We need serious change in our health care system…

Brian,
Social Networks when used authentically, are very beneficial. My son has type 1, (he’s 12 now) and I have learned so much about all the different treatments, pumps, continuous glucose monitors, from TuDiabetes. In fact, reading Toni’s post, I just learned about a new pump that she uses, the animas ping…Also learning of the difficulties with insurance companies through this sight has made me very aware, and empathetic for those who’s situation is mis-understood by insurance companies. Perhaps insurance companies should look to employ some people who have conditions like diabetes, to be part of the decision process, so they can make more informed decisions from those who have it…
We are very fortunate that our insurer, through the Simi Valley Unified School District has been very good for my son. He’s on a pump and we just got approval for continuous BC monitor with the help of his doctor and Medtronic.
Pro-active care that promotes good health has to be considered as a + when determining other expenses related to diabetes. If you are here to get opinions and try and make a difference at the health insurance company you are working at, well good luck and I hope you can make a difference for others…

Q1: Social networking sites have been very valuable to me for two main reasons: (1) Diabetes is very complex and I often want to talk to someone and get opinions on various things more frequently than I can meet with my doctor. I also want to get a variety of different opinions. Additionally, many of the devices and supplies needed for diabetes are very expensive, so knowledge from someone with experience with the various devices is valuable when deciding between various options.

Q2: A potential role for health insurance companies on social networking sites might be to observe and see what issues people are having so that they could then brainstorm about how to provide solutions for their patients. Another potential role for health insurance companies in social networking might be to have a representative offer suggestions for how to get the necessary supplies for a low cost, although this may be difficult since coverage is complex and different for everyone and companies may not want the liability of having someone online making statements about coverage that may not apply to everyone.

Hope this is helpful. Good luck with your research.

For what it worth:
From my perspective the answers are yes and yes. Social Networking: As a member I have learned invaluable lesson from the experience and wisdom of the social network. Decisions on extended or combination boluses provide a starting point; I didn’t have to start at square one. We are all individuals and our reaction to insulin varies but it is much better than going in blind. The value as expected is from the collective wisdom – people with years of experience helped me from making the same mistakes, being aware of the common and not so common issues we face. I wouldn’t do something just because everyone else does – but I would look into it as a possibility. Insurance Companies: This also applies to the insurance companies who can access real-world experiences. They can see how their decisions really affect the community – are they spending money on thins that diabetics don’t use or care about. Or are they on the same path we are on – more of a shared experience and less of this is how we do it experience. The insurance companies may already do this but it would be encouraging to see them getting involved.

Great to see you involved Brian and asking the question. Welcome.

Michael

The networking support, practical and emotional, that we receive from each other here is invaluable.

I have great insurance, but I worry that it could end anytime. While the insurance companies need to focus on more long term preventative coverage, I’m not sure that the problem doesn’t lie as much with the pharma and healthcare industries. They are all businesses whose goals are to profit from, not cure my disease.

i I READ YOUR COMMENT, BUT I DIDN’T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY! CAN YOU BE MORE SPACIFIC?
THANK YOU AND HAVE GREAT HOLLYDAYS!
MOLFETTESE

  1. I have always been a very positive, motivated person and a very frustrated, nihilistic diabetic. I have spent many a doctor visit feeling defensive about my efforts and discouraged about results. Stumbling upon this social network has allowed me to consider specific problem/solution scenarios that are too specific for my once-a-quarter interaction with a talented endocrinologist. Endos have hundreds, if not thousands, of patients and they tend to consider the broader aspects of care - such as overall neurological, eye, vascular, and other complication-sensitive health. The minute details of daily care and daily struggle are often brushed aside as too individual and daunting to visit in detail. We go to certified diabetes educators and medical device trainers hoping for more specifics, and we get some (if insurance will cover it!), but we often learn the rules of care and not the exceptions that will inevitably pop up. To sum up, what I get from TuDiabetes and other social networks that I don’t get from medical staff is SUPPORT, LIFE EXPERIENCE, TECHNOLOGY (innovations and news), and SPECIFICS for my care. I have brought my A1c down almost a percentage point since implementing ideas from my community.

  2. The level of mis-trust is high. I agree with Toni that it seems that compliant diabetics are often punished by not gaining access to coverage for the tools that keep them compliant. I had a plan that didn’t allow quarterly educator visits. A plan that wouldn’t cover the quantity of strips I needed to test enough to stay in range. Etc., etc. CGMS is another poignant battle on our front lines right now. I’ve always said you have to be the sickest of the closely monitored diabetics to get attention from insurance. I enrolled in a program long ago with my insurance where a nurse is supposed to call me regularly because I’m a type 1. I have yet to receive a phone call. I’m sure it just looks good on their books that I joined the program, so I did. But some nurse in a cubicle at a healthcare company doesn’t make me feel warm and fuzzy about compliance and control of my condition. A site like this with names and faces and anecdotal evidence does. So insurance could encourage it, but I don’t know how they could go about making particular endorsements about communities or monitoring your active involvement.

For one thing, if I thought my insurance company rep that decides my CGMS coverage was a member on this site, I’d shut up pretty quickly about anything and everything I need support from my community for. There’s certainly a fear that they could use information about the details of my care against me.

Hi Brian,

Thanks for posting this. In keeping with full-disclosure, I am not diabetic myself, but have still found community here in both the Type III Diabetics and Parents of Kids with Type 1 groups. I have been supporting Type 1 diabetics in my family for more than 13 years now.

I think it’s very hard to generalize if social networks bring about positive behavioral change because it is entirely dependent on the social network. However, given the context of where the question was asked and the members of this network, I can say definitively that tudiabetes helps members find support in each other, learn about advancements in diabetes research and technology, and raise awareness about diabetes. I feel that the combination of these things can have a strong positive impact on one’s care of his or her diabetes.

I am more than certain that insurance companies can find a role here. While I would encourage active participation, I think passive participation would yield scores of information of improving customer service and guidelines on how care is covered. In my own experience with my wife’s and son’s insurance coverage, I have seen actions taken on the insurance companies’ behalf which may be considered insignificant, but have serious impact on care. For example, brand preference on insulin or supplies. If I know that Humalin works better than Novolin for my son, I shouldn’t have to climb phone menus to argue it. Or when a new meter arrives in the mail unannounced because some brand’s strips are no longer going to be covered, there is a domino effect of issues that causes. By participating in the community and groups here, one can read everyday how insurance or lack of insurance impacts people on a daily basis. Given the power that insurance companies have on individuals’ care, I think participation is the responsible thing to do.

All Best,

John

  1. Yes, online interaction between people brought together by common interests can and does bring about positive changes.

  2. Insurers should have NOTHING to do with this. A diabetes group run by Insurers would have one goal–cutting costs, limiting treatment, and for people with Type 2 diabetes insurers still cling to the belief that diabetes is caused by laziness and gluttony which is completely not true. “Behavioral change” from insurers usually means eating the same low fat diet that packed so much weight on people with diabetes in the past and destroyed their blood sugar control.

Let’s leave industry OUT of our communities. I already see too many paid industry flacks pretending to be community members joining communities so they can promote bogus, expensive supplements and magic foods.

Melissa, I did get calls from the insurance company nurses…they didn’t know a whole lot beyond the ADA script and were not able to converse at all about any alternative options. I asked them to stop calling.

To the first question: Yes, I believe that online groups brought together by a common interest can bring about positive change.

Now to the second question: My experience with insurance companies has not been positive. I was forced out of my insurance because I became diabetic. Well, not really forced out as the insurer saw it. Just that my premium payments starting rising to such a degree that I couldn’t afford the payments. Thank god I was in the Army and have VA benefits. I would suspect that a diabetes group run by Insurers would have one goal–cutting costs, and limiting treatment.

There appears to be too many paid industry reps pretending to be community members so they can promote bogus, expensive supplements and magic foods.

What we need to do is go after the “corn lobby” in Washington. I personally suspect that Fructose Corn Syrup used in ALL our foods will be found to be the primary cause of the outbreak of diabetes in this country and elsewhere.

I agree wiht your reply in many aspects, maybe all.

I am labeled a T2, but don’t quite fit either T1 or T2 pigeon hole… the ins cos and even the VA frustrates/d me (That is why I decided to go doctorless for a few eyars, feeling I could do better on my & just bought my insulins OTC, till I got into trouble last year) . I now have a highly reguared edo I see at the local diabetes center,; my wife also sees this same doc at his private practice, the level of care is almost like night and day. Another subject.

My ins co expects me to test 4+ times a day, but I have to pay out of pocket to afford it. They only cover select meter/strips and the deductable is way higher than buying my preferred meter and strips over the counter…

Complications -v- “good care”…In today’s market I think they just hope you will be with some OTHER ins co when complications arise, and get by as cheap as possable, till the buck passes.

SUPPORT groups… would be nice to have a LOCAL human network. NOBODY, not even a doctor IMO that is not diabetic can begin to understand much beyond the numbers. I had a consult last year with a nurse that was a T1 diabetic herself and she UNDERSTOOD what I said w/o having to TRY and explain.Simple it takes one to know one wheather its diabetes cancer (been there) or anything else.

I learned more from a webMD forum, which is where I learned about Tu…than from all my docotrs over 25+ years… So much of my diabetic life and has been a hit or miss and even contention (at times) with my doctors. Being a diabetic can be a very lonely place where few if any realy understand

Dealing with diabetes can be depressing enough w/o problems or lack of understanding with insurance cos and even sometimes doctors.

BOTTOM LINE…I say YES!

(&( GOMER

Social networks are important in that they (1) alert patients to information they may not receive from their professional care team (doctors, nurses, CDEs are often too overworked to keep up on all the latest research; OTOH, we have a growing cadre of patients who are willing to, and capable of, pawing through the technical information and the aimed-at-doctors newswire, and passing along both the basic information and the biases of the researchers); (2) through anecdotal data, provide different approaches to try when a patient’s current therapy is not sufficiently effective; (3) provide a place for emotional release in a group of people with similar health issues and understandings of those issues; (4) provide information on ways to achieve effective care when the cost of said care would bankrupt the patient.

All of these help patients become aware and active in self-care, helping improve the effectiveness of care and minimizing the potential for complications. These are goals that minimize the lifetime costs both to the patients and to their medical insurance carriers.

The most obvious place where patients, insurance, and care intersect – and conflict – is at the point of cost. Diabetes – even when managed to the greatest degree that modern medicine and medical technology will allow – is costly. The cost of monitoring equipment (CGMs) and supplies (sensors, glucometer strips), medications (insulin, oral medications), diagnostics (medical examinations), and hospitalizations – is higher than all but the most affluent 10% of the US population could afford out-of-pocket. We depend on our insurance policies to mitigate the costs, both by cost negotiation and by subsidy from the healthier patients in the insured group. Unfortunately, the rise in diabetes and health complications in the general population makes this less and less an actuarial possibility. For this reason, many insurance companies flat-out refuse insurance coverage to people with diabetes.

As patients, we realize that active management in the short term prevents complications – and thereby lowers long-term costs of care (and insurance subsidies). Studies from single-payer/government-managed programs confirm this position. The biggest issue facing both patients and health insurers in terms of preventative care and tight diabetes management is the job-based insurance model, by which the insurer does not visibly reap the long-term financial benefits of well-managed care (the latency between lack of care and the development of complications may mean that the patient has moved to a different insurer, a different group managed by the same insurer or reinsurer, or to publicly-insured care (Medicaid, Medicare)). This suggests that in the absence of a defined collusion and sharing of profits and risks between the various insurers, or national migration away from job-centered medical insurance, there is little incentive for change by the insurance companies.

The word “collusion” reminds us that patient records are not as confidential as the public perception of HIPAA would have us hope, nor are they as portable as would be ideal to show the potential improvement of risk to a potential new insurer. On the other hand, we as patients fear that an insurer sponsoring, or otherwise finding methods to obtain the membership lists of, a social community, might use that list to deny us insurance or hike up our premiums (both individual insurance, or those of the entire employment-based group), or might use it to check whether we are following our medical team’s instructions to the letter (even if incorrect/outdated/inappropriate), or how we view our medical team’s instructions, or whether our medical team is following the insurer’s guidelines (regardless of how appropriate those guidelines are for the patient), and negatively sanction both us and our medical team.

In short, insurers providing patients with links to social communities and encouraging them to join is a good thing; insurers sponsoring or being active in such communities may have more drawbacks than advantages.

Yes these groups are helpful. If they don’t improve “behavior,” they do improve mental health to be able to interact with others in a similar boat. And from the reading I’ve done here in the past few months I’ve been a member, much of the behavior they do change is to encourage people to think for themselves, not follow the ADA song and dance about high carbs diets and more medicine, but to be proactive in caring for our own lives.

Insurance companies should stay out. If you, as an individual, really do care and want to be a part of this discussion, and from what you learn here (you will learn things here), you can have some positive effect on the insurance industry, so much the better. But from a corporate perspective, insurance companies, whose goal is nothing but profit, have no business here.

But here’s a hint–if your goal as insurance companies is to keep people healthy, then doing things like arbitrarily changing medications you cover probably because they’re cheaper for you, but that force people to go through roller coasters of new side effects (which happened to me last year and still is not resolved) is the wrong track. And refusing to cover the things diabetics need to stay healthy, waiting to treat them for the complications that will result, is, I would say, very cost-NON-effective.

  1. YES!!! ) If it weren’t for my discovering Tu Diabetes… I feel my life would be far more miserable right now. This family has pulled me up when life circumstances were dragging me down. The encouragement to keep checking my numbers as often as I can,giving me suggestions of things to do or new recipes to try when things get boring…well there is nothing like a network of friends to call on!
  2. Insurance? hmm… I dont have any. I cant afford the drs. I simply do the best I can. I haven’t experienced a greatt dr for diabetes where I live either. (thought I did… til I discovered that he believes “D” is all my fault. Then, my insurance that I Hda ran out. After that, I’ve pretty much floated n my own. I ask questions and then just guess about what is happening with my body. Maybe, the insurance companies could work at helping to bring about better changes with our care. Maybe, they could step up with supporting local support groups.

I believe that the networking with others is very important. I would have no idea what to do , what to eat, or any other aspect without the vital websites that I subscribe to. The Insurance companies are only about profit and loss. They do care about the individual, the person you are. The insurance companies are a necessary evil so that we can afford our meds, because the costs are so high but some things that cost a lot are not covered at all. Take for instance the Diabetes Management class my doctor says is needed for me to be able to manage my illness… my insurance company will not even pay a portion of it. It costs $1600.00 per person, so I will not be taking it. I can only guess at what I should eat or do. Thankfully the people I interact with through this site and the others are helping me to understand

My perspective, though from a different nation, is nonetheless similar in many facets…I entirely agree with the first question, however to apply that to the second question raises a red flag. Yes, it COULD educate insurance companies…but there are risks. One of them is that we would undermine the dynamics and the integrity of our group…and undoubtedly lose many members in the process…There are other means of educating insurance companies via the ADA/CDA/BDA .