If he is right or wrong you still need to drop the weight . 60Lbs overweight ,this in it’s self is a health risk that can shorten your life. If in the process you gain better control of you diabetes ,well that’s an added benefit. Loseing weight can help with things like hiden inflammation caused by leptin .Excess leptin does prevent proprer metabolizim and cause insulin to be resistant.Just as an alchohalic is always an alchoholic doesn’t mean they have to drink ;many live sober lives. You may always be a type 2 diabetic but you don’t have to have high glucose and you can possibly gain enouh control to avoid meds. Loseing the weight and proper diet and exercise just might be the key. The extra weight could be a factor in developing heart disease ,PAD, arthritis ,and many forms of cancer. You state you would like another baby ;weight reduction will help here too.
I want to live to be an cranky old woman. I’ve got the cranky down pat.
Me too! I am an expert on cranky! 
As odd as it may sounds Kimkat the kids who develop Type 2 IMO are in a starvation cycle with their body.
The body is sensing make more insulin, eat more, make more insulin, all the time craving for nutrients for survival but simply cant absorb anything because of the huge carb craving by this ravenous insulin cycle eventually ending with a burned out pancreas. Agree they likely have a genetic marker of some sort but the trigger with this diet sets it off early.
I look at the amount of isle space in the grocery store , pizza, ice cream, and so on that wasnt there when I was a kid. What was a super treat in the 1950’s is now the norm for everyday meals.
I also think that kids are indoors more too nowdays and lack vitiamin D that plays a role, another trigger.
Just in IMO…
That is an interesting viewpoint Pauly. That makes sense. Yep, there is no nutritional value in Flaming Cheetoes.
I also agree with the Vitamin D. I sure hope they start to do more studies on the locations and lifestyles of Diabetics to get more of a pattern for this. When I was a kid, I was outside a lot and was always doing some sort of physical play. I was a skinny kid and although I had some junk food, candy - I burned it off. My mom was a very hard sell on sugary cereals that I wanted.
I didn’t really start spending much time inside until the Atari was invented.
You are right diets don’t work they go against our survival instint but lifestyle changes do work . I doubt that intuitive eating works .Good planning works.
Isnt the occurrence of T2 diabetes in children a recent phenomena? If that is the case, then the genetic disposition might be there, but environmental factors would seem to be the larger factor.
Pauly, thats the case against putting kids on ultra low fat / high carb diet isnt it?
Yes, it is. That was the point that Pauly and I were making. It USED to be more of an “adult” disease.
Yes, environment - this includes your lifestyle, nutrition (the vitamin D) and other factors.
But not ALL fatties, get Type 2. This is where the genetic factor comes into play. Why some fatties but not others? And why some skinnies and not others? Here is where the genetic underlying factors that more than likely put someone at higher risk of developing this disease.
When was a little, I knew hardly no fat kids - why? Because we all playing outside, riding our bikes etc. You don’t see many kids doing that anymore. They get no exercise to burn off the crap they eat. The quality of food is getting worse and worse.
The other interesting part that I would like to know is how deficient children are in Amylin and other satiety chemicals?
IMO they probably lack that as well which is a further trigger in their overeating outside of massive insulin production.
Kimkat I know Jenny Ruhl references autopsies at the Mayo Clinic showing some obese people having 30-50-% more beta cells in their pancreas and they just adopted to the increased insulin production, never developing T-2 .
The other side of that though is carrying extra body weight there is some insulin resistance and pre diabetic BG numbers put you in a risk category too.
Hey Pauly,
that is interesting. The article I posted actually talks about the way your body stores fat and there is a theory about that the reason why some people might get the Type 2 and others don’t (fat or thin) is the why your body stores fat. Apparently if your body stores fat near the organs as opposed to near the skin (called fit fat) than that they believe may be a key risk factors. Which might be an interesting factor in us Thins - our fat that we have is buried down deep near our organs perhaps and maybe it doesn’t take much of it to infer with the bodily functons. I would imagine that an organ would not be happy with a bunch of fat around it.
The article also compares Thin 2’s to a disorder called lipodystrophy.
See excerpt below:
"While there are competing explanations of the link between obesity and type 2 diabetes, Gerald Shulman, MD, PhD, a professor of internal medicine and physiology at Yale University, believes the key is figuring out insulin resistance. He has studied the causes of insulin resistance for 25 years and thinks he may have the answer to the weight-diabetes link.
What his theory boils down to is that type 2 diabetes is caused not by extra fat alone, but by fat stored in the wrong places. “Virtually all the individuals [with insulin resistance] have fat accumulation in liver and muscle,” Shulman says, where it may disrupt normal biological processes, leading to insulin resistance. “If you can understand this, you can ideally come up with new ways to prevent insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes.”
Supporting evidence for Shulman’s theory comes from observations about a rare genetic illness called lipodystrophy. People with lipodystrophy can’t make fat tissue, which is where fat should properly be stored. These thin people also develop severe insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes. “They have fat stored in places it doesn’t belong,” like the liver and muscles, says Shulman. “When we treat them . . . we melt the fat away, reversing insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes.” Shulman’s theory also suggests why some people who carry extra fat don’t get type 2. “There are some individuals who store fat [under the skin] who have relatively normal insulin sensitivity, a so-called fit fat individual,” he says. Because of the way their bodies store fat, he believes, they don’t get diabetes.
So what determines where fat is stored, and thus a person’s propensity for insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes? Well, just having more fat in the body increases the risk that some of it will get misplaced. But exercise may also have a role in fat placement. Exercise is known to reduce insulin resistance; one way it may do this is by burning fat out of the muscle. Because of this, getting enough exercise may stave off type 2 in some cases. Genes may also help orchestrate the distribution of fat in the body, which illustrates how lifestyle and genetics interact.
The beta cells may be another place where gene-environment interactions come into play, as suggested by the previously mentioned studies that link beta cell genes with type 2. “Only a fraction of people with insulin resistance go on to develop type 2 diabetes,” says Shulman. If beta cells can produce enough insulin to overcome insulin resistance, a factor that may be genetically predetermined, then a person can stay free of diabetes. But if the beta cells don’t have good genes propping them up, then diabetes is the more likely outcome in a person with substantial insulin resistance. "
He’s young. I mentioned how my mother & aunt both are diabetic. Type 2. They where both diagnosed later in life. Once they where both well into there 50’s & 60’s. Both of normal weight. Little petite women. He said, well they probably have Type 1.2. We have other family members who are/were diabetic & of normal weight. I say were because some of them have passed.
He actually said, "I know the studies say it is genetic as well as other factors but I don’t completely agree with that."
Than you have my husband who is also overweight. Diabetes runs in his family as well. However, he isn’t diabetic at all. Fasting in the 80’s every time he’s tested. He likes to boast, in jest of course, about his normal sugars.
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Joe Dennis what exactly do hope to accomplish by stating what you have? I think that if you read everything that I’ve stated you’ll see that I know full well that I need to loose weight no matter what he said.
I noticed that you stated on your original post that the internest siad that you “COULD REVERSE THINGS”. On the original post you never stated that he said you would be cured. Reversing things is one thing and being cured is another thing. I think reversal is possible not a cure. I think its the way we interpret what we hear that makes a difference. Don’t loose hope until you have tried something and then it does not work and even then you try something different.
When I was first diagnosed I was about 90lbs over weight and i went into DKA. I was put on insulin right away. I stayed on insulin for about a year. I followed a strict diet and excercised like a mad man. Mind you that I was a cycling nut a few years before I was diagnosed so I returned to what I loved.
After a year and 30 lbs less I stopped using insulin. Mind you I was still 60lbs over weight.
So some reversal is possible with excercise and good eating habbits. I think the most import thing from a type 2 perspective is excercise. Here is why i think that. I am still about 60lbs over weight but I have managed to keep my A1C at about a 6.5. I tried even tighter but for some crazy reason that most endos cant answer I need carbs for long distance riding. I wind up chasing lows and have to eat carbs to bring it back up.
Another example of reversal is some of the people that have posted here that have been succesul in reversing neuropathy.
so make sure you make that distinction with your internest about reversal vs cure. They know there is no cure, if there was then they would be out of business. Sometimes we miss interpret what they say since they are in such a rush to throw us out the door.
Ask anyone had high A1C and brought them down with losing weight. Loging weight may not cure you but it will make you feel normal again. The thing about weight loss and you cant obsess over it, find an activity you like to do. Go play with your kid in the park and chase your kid, get on a bike for you and your kid and ride around, run, play wii boxing anything to get you moving for 30 minutes that you love to do. The point is find something you like to do that makes you move. I am still about 50lbs over weight but my sugars sure come down with a good couple of hours of excercise.
As far as food, switch slowy. Add more greens. Find a good dietician. Once you find a good one you will know. I have a great one but since the insurance wont cover her I still have to pay 300 so I cant get back to seeing her but this one was one of the great ones. She managed to help me readjust what I eat and was great at creating a food plan to fit my lifestyle. So dont think every one in the medical field are bunch of morons and clowns. Some do have some good advice to give and some need to come off the ivory tower. They are a tool and as any tool they have a place to help you out.
My endo and I are going to try to stop the metformin to see if its causing my lows are happening because of the metformin. So as you can see some people are succesful at trying to change things.
wil v lets not argue semantics.
However, I never said that I thought everyone in the medical field are a bunch of morons & clowns. I was talking about one doctor & one doctor only. For him to say that I can reverse my Type 2 is like saying you can get rid of it. Getting rid of a disease like diabetes is like saying you can cure it. He never said if you loose weight you will be able to manage it better. He said that people don’t have to get diabetes. They have control over it. I’m sure to a point people do have some control over getting it. I don’t think that we have complete control over it.
Agreed. The fact that an increased food consumption has led to an increase of T2 DX only goes to support your sediments. I think it might be possibly to avoid, but with the amount of things we ingest that become glucose, we overwhelm our systems tolerance. This taps a genetic predisposition that might have otherwise been avoided. Then its there only to be managed.
Granted, this doesnt speak for the skiny T2s who it seems have many more factors. Im sure there are more factors in T2 DX, but thats my laymen understanding.
Plenty of people are thin, and have had those tests, and have come out with flying colors. They belong to this community, and share regularly, and even have their own group. It gets tiring to have to constantly read how it’s impossible and improbable for a Type 2 to be thin, from your posts. It’s one thing to try to raise awareness… It’s another thing to also damage Type 2 awareness of who it can affect while you’re doing it. I wish you would stop.
Thank you Liz.
My point in posting that article was to point out that Type 2’s CAN be thin and that being fat/overweight isn’t the only factor in being a Type 2. In fact, one of our Thin members just recently got confirmed that she is indeed a Type 2 and everyone was saying she was LADA or TYpe 1.5 (whatever you want to call it).
Why are people SO stuck on these stereotypes??? It is ridiculous. If one more person says I have to be Type 1 or Type 1.5 JUST because I am thin I might scream.
I am NOT misdiagnosed and I am sure the other T2 Thins on here would be sick of reading this too. And I am sure there are Type 1 that are not skinny either so are they not Type 1’s anymore just because they are fat? Of course not.
Diabetes is a complex disease - there are no strict categories anymore - just as there are many possible combinations of causes. People are obsessed with diagnoses categories on here sometimes. I am really tired of all this “Type” business. What does it matter what type I am anyhow? As long as I receive the correct treatment that works for me why does it matter what “Type” I am?
Technically, there are hundreds of thousand of “Types” of diabetes but they don’t bother to go and categorize them all.
Yes, please - quit trying to “retype” us on here. I also hate the whole thing because it does damage awareness of Type 2’s as Liz is saying - you are basically sticking back to that ole stereotype of all Type 2 are fat -therefore, we play the blame game in that fat = Type 2 - thereby it is their fault. That is exactly where the whole fat stereotype leads us. It is fortunate that people who have been diabetic for a while are still stuck in the past with the old knowledge instead of making way for new discoveries which can only get us closer to finding out the cause of this. If we continue with this, fat stereotype - we will never move forward to greater understanding of what diabetes really is.
Just so you know Melita - ALL of the fat I have is visceral fat so technically, according to what you say, I am still in that group of Type 2. I have several inches of that gross fat on my abodominals (and I can pinches several inches!) - the rest of me is thin. 
Hi KimKat: My apologies, I realize my post was not helpful and I deleted it.
Well, with all due respect Joe, many many Nutritionists and Dietitians have switched to intuitive eating, already, and it really does work. I have made more progress on intuitive eating than on any “planning” or any “diet” ever. You can doubt all you want… But I’m still 70+ lbs lighter, so that doesn’t matter to me. lol Intuitive eating works because it reeducates the individual and it helps them understand that THEY are in charge of their body, and not some plan or diet. Honestly, I’m not even sure you know what intuitive eating is to start saying it doesn’t work. Intuitive eating IS lifelstyle changes… It is not a diet.
I have to admit I thought the losing weigt thing was bogus too. I had lost 80 pounds and was on metformin but still had high fasting numbers a lot of the time. I finally got my HbA1c down to 5.9. This summer I had a bad reaction to a statin. I tried everything to get rid of the muscle aches and high bgs. I went on a fairly low carb, organic diet and lost another 13 pounds. Between ditching the statin and the new diet ( no wheat or soy) my bgs are almost normal now. I am not cured but I am fianlly seeing bgs in the 80’s for fasting. I thought that would never happen. I guess it took getting my weight really low. I was almost 200 pounds 10 years ago and am now 113 pounds. Sometimes you have to find your natural weight set point to get your body back in cinq. I will always be diabetic and am not ready to give up the metformin but hoping to reduce it. Oh, I also walk 4-5 miles at least 4 days a week.