Naysayers and Pessimists

I’m a little disappointed by the naysayers and pessimists who poo poo the raw and natural foods diet for us type 2s. Perhaps if they tried it, they might find out how truly amazing the human body is at revitalizing itself when given what it needs. Sure, you can pick fault with just about anything, if you want to… that’s your prerogative. I’ve found, through depression recovery training, that physical health and positive thinking go hand in hand in recovery from just about anything. Now, some have said that I’m lucky that I’ve gotten this far. When all the work is taken into account, I don’t feel lucky at all. I feel as if I’ve earned my good fortune.

I’m now into my fourth day without Metformin. I’m drug free… YAY!. I have more energy today than I’ve had in nearly 20 years. While I would never recommend to anyone that you suddenly stop taking your medication, I would recommend learning all you can from as many sources as you can, and experiment a little at a time while watching your body’s response to various dietary and exercise changes (monitor your blood glucose). I watched as mine stabilized and finally decided, Thursday the 13th of December 2007, that as long as I’m posting numbers in the 70s and 80s fasting, “Why not?”. So I did. Since then my fasting numbers: Thursday: 75, Friday: 77, Saturday: 76, this morning: 89 (I had a bunch of white rice for dinner). Post prandial never went over 120 throughout all of this.

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You are absolutely awesome Mr. Peachy!! You are setting a prime example for “the cure” for Type 2 diabetes! Mother Nature can help make the path to recovery from elevated blood sugars a little easier to understand.

The best part? There are tons of people (with diabetes and without) sharing amazing recipes for the RAW-volution lifestyle. The real investment of time comes in chopping, juicing and preparation. But the nutritious, fresh foods and their health benefits (as you’ve described) are well worth the minutes in the kitchen!

Thanks for sharing your cure, Mr. Peacy!!

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Making the World Safer for People with Diabetes

I live in Tucson, close to patagonia,where there are trials of raw food reversing diabetes. I believe in this more than western medicines approach. Imean if every cell can regenerate, why wouldnt there be a cure. I am told that my blood sugar isnt high enough to cause the burning feet that I have(that it must be some other cause) yet my insulin was really low after I ate. So docs tell me to eat every 2 hrs. that makes me so sick feeling. I feel better eating less(makes no sense to them.) I ate 2 eggscooked for breakfast and only green juice all day, then salad or cooked veggis for dinner for a week. Felt much better. Started to think I needed more protien,aminos or vit b12, so yesterday I ate salmon salad on salad 2 times. Felt horrible!! Woke up in the middle of the night, sweats and heart . Also the worst thing is that my toungue starts tasting like nail polish remover and my head feel swollen and its hard to funtion when I get like that. I am desperate to keep my job. Im continueing to search for the answers! how long have you been raw,and what percentage?

Since I’m probably one of the naysayers you’re referring to, let me say that I really do hope things work out for you on your new treatment regime. But, as I said in our previous exchange, 2 days drug free (4 now) does not tell us very much. If you’re still drug free and under good control in 2 months or 2 years then you’ve found something that works for you. Please let us know then.

Healthy eating should be part of the solution for all of us, but it simply won’t be the entire solution for many of us.

There’s a saying in Science that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Without evidence to the contrary, I have every right to assume that your diabetes must be fairly mild if it can be controlled with good diet alone. Don’t think of me as a naysayer or pessimist, just as someone who is asking questions about an extraordinary claim. I found it quite telling that the very first person who commented on your blog congratulated you for “sharing your cure”. Clearly I’m not the only person who is reading your material and interpreting it as more than just an announcement of your personal success.

Rather than look for reasons for why this might be a fluke, why not try it? I used to suffer from “analysis paralysis” myself. After literally hundreds of hours of reading from the likes of Dr. Patrick Quillin, Dr. Joel Fuhrman, and Dr. John McDougall, plus my own trials and errors, there seems to be very little doubt as to why it’s working for me and shouldn’t work for other insulin resistant diabetics. Cut out the refined, nutrient stripped carbs and farm raised animal fats, increase the amount of fresh vegetables, fruits, whole grains, nuts, and find out if it helps… you’ve go nothing to lose but a few pounds.

Okay, it’s day 7 now. Here are my numbers:

Date: fasting am meds 2 hrs after dinner.
Dec. 13: 83 0 n/a
Dec. 14: 75 0 n/a
Dec. 15: 68 0 n/a
Dec. 16: 87 0 n/a
Dec. 17: 82 0 n/a
Dec. 18: 103 0 n/a
Dec. 19: 140* (1-500mg Metformin) 111
Dec. 20: 91 0 89
Dec. 21: n/a

2 week avg (mostly fasting): 90mg/dl

*The night before this reading, my diet was goofed up by a major dietary derailment… I pigged out on a substantial amount of refined carbs: (Long John Silver’s breaded fish (4), fries (~8 oz.), 2 servings of coleslaw, and 5 hush puppies… ~ 201gm of carbs = 804 calories) Note that by the next morning, things are returning to “normal” as I hurriedly got back to my normal routine of natural foods.

I’ve put together a webpage with my daily logs for anyone who is interested in whether this is a fluke or not. The more I learn and try things, the luckier I get. Extraordinary!

Oops, here’s the link:


Don’t let them get to ya, the skeptics will always be out there. But we can always share our knowledge where we can to those who haven’t chosen to just “give up” because someone told them there will be no hope EVER in their lifetime and that they’ll need to keep pouring their money into the multi-BILLION dollar pharmaceutical industry in order to stay alive.

Those who are ready to listen will and those who aren’t, well, won’t :slight_smile:

I definitely know it isn’t a fluke, I’m proving it every single day and so are THOUSANDS of other people who aren’t necessarily in the “mainstream” media. That is more than good enough for me because in the end it really is about MY quality of life and happiness. There is a huge movement out there and we are making great progress is spreading the word.

But in the end I gotta go back to what I said above regarding those who are ready to hear what we have to say :wink:

Thanks for trying to put words in my mouth, Marston A but I can speak for myself. I haven’t “given up”, and I am listening to Mr Peachy and other low carb/no med type people. In fact, I have made changes based on some of the thngs I’ve learned from them. I merely pointed out to Mr Peachy that 2 days off his meds was nowhere near sufficient proof that he was successful or that others should follow his lead. Of course, if by " ‘ready’ to hear what we have to say" you really mean “willing to go against the advice of my doctor, my endocrinologist, my dietician, my diabetes education nurse, and my National Diabetic Association based on the say so of someone I don’t know who says he’s been off his meds for all of 2 days” then no, I’m not ready to listen.

So, Mr Peachy, is the Grand Experiment over? You stopped posting results Dec 30, more than 2 weeks ago. Are you still doing well without your meds?

I was impressed with how low your numbers were, but some were actually too low to be optimal. Almost 10% of the 29 numbers you posted were hypos (below 4.0). Of the 11 results you posted for 2 hrs after dinner (thanks for adding them), there was 1 hypo and 3 others that were below 5.0 That’s dangerously low for a 2 hr PP reading. I hope you don’t drive, because I doubt your insurance company and licensing bureau would consider that acceptable. Certainly where I live it isn’t. You must be eating very frequently if you are hitting lows like that 2 hrs after dinner.

Your use of a metformin the day after carbo loading was rather curious. Metformin has a pretty short halflife in the body, but I thought that you still had to take it for a while before it started working. I’m not aware that you can take one dose and expect it to bring down a high sugar level. Hmm… I see from a bit of web searching that "Short-term administration of GLUCOPHAGE or GLUCOPHAGE XR may be sufficient during periods of transient loss of control in patients usually well-controlled on diet alone. " I still doubt that by “short term” they mean 1 pill.

The dosage sites (here’s one example: ) also say that, "In general, clinically significant responses are not seen at doses below 1500 mg per day. " I believe you said elsewhere that you were only taking two 500 mg doses per day. So, you were probably on a subclinical dosage of metformin all along. Reducing carb intake and the resulting weight loss (ie drop in insulin resistance) is probably more than enough to compensate for any small benefit you may have been obtaining from your low metformin dose.

So, I guess I’m back to my original assumption. You are fortunate that your diabetes is mild enough that you can control it with exercise and diet (albeit a very strict diet).

Please let us know if you are still having success, or
what happened if you have fallen off the wagon.

Oh David, please, don’t thank me because I wasn’t talking to you. My reply was regarding the “Naysayers and Pessimists” in general Mr. Peachy refers to in his main post.

So if I’m putting words in your mouth I guess you had already put yourself in that category? Sorry if you got confused.

With all due respect, your skepticism is stifling you, David. Strict diet?? Nonsense, I eat all I want. In fact, I stuff myself at dinnertime. Wagon? What wagon? I haven’t reduced my carb intake at all… I’ve actually increased it. I just make sure that the carbs I take in come mostly from Mother Nature and not ConAgra, General Mills, Kraft, and the like.

I think you might have missed my earlier point about Arnold Palmer. After the considerable effort I put into all the research, trial, and error, I don’t feel fortunate or lucky, I feel triumphant and proud.

As far as listening to your doctor, endocrinologist, dietitian, nutritionist, nurse, or whomever. If I had fallen into that trap and not sought a solution, I’d probably be shooting insulin by now. Just like my mother. (What a tragic mess that was… her doctors were idiots). No sir, I take most doctors’ advice with a grain of salt (my own doctor breaks tradition and is actually able to say, “I don’t know” occasionally). And your assumption that below 4.0 is hypo… well, maybe it is for you. For me, it was an exhilarating feeling of energy. I barely had the shakes when it was under 60(3.3)… over that, I was fine. Thoughts were clear, judgment seemed okay, I just ate a banana and everything smoothed out just fine. Surely a smart guy like you knows that hypo is relative to what your body is accustomed to. I’ve talked to type ones who average over 140 having hypos at 90. My HbA1C prior to this experiment was 5.8 (avg. daily glucose: 129mg/dl 7.2 mmol/l), so dipping below 70/4.0 isn’t a big deal for me.

Why don’t you stop doubting what clearly works for others, begin doubting that modern medicine is omniscient and altruistic (I can assure you that it isn’t), and start eating healthy like our ancestors did (before type 2 was an epidemic). Your body will love you for it. A smart guy like you would be a wonderful advocate for this program. If I had the time and space, I would love to share the countless hours of knowledge I’ve accumulated studying alternatives. Somehow, unfortunately, I think my time would be better spent on Yahoo! Answers.

BTW, I stayed up way past my bedtime and updated my website’s daily log… just for you. It’s become a bit too tedious, so don’t expect much more. I’d rather go out for a jog.

You amaze me. Your thinking is shifting quickly. Took me years. Whether you’re into evolution or creation. It doesn’t matter. Our bodies were optimized for hunting and gathering. It really is that simple.

Bravo, Renee. You actually “get it”.

I just got back from a seriously difficult hike in the country with my two boys. I can’t begin to tell you how wonderful it was. The cool, mountain air. The warm California sun on our bare skin. The smell of fresh manzanita blossoms. Bees buzzing 'round. Woodpeckers arguing with gray squirrels. Awesome!! All we took with us were bottles of spring water and raw peanuts in their shell. (sorry to hear that nuts don’t agree with you).

Talk about being where we were meant to be. I love my new life. Diabetes has taught me so much. (sounds weird, huh?).