Newcastle liver/pancreas T2 remission diet

It costs nothing to do it, you can use normal foods

Newcastle university diet aims in 8+ weeks to mimic the rate of ~70% remission, for bariatric surgery for overweight T2
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm/

Newcastle diet Lectures
It is now clear that Type 2 diabetes is caused by abnormal fat storage. Research on how this may be reversed is available. http://www.fend-lectures.org/index.php?menu=view&id=94
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/events/public-lectures/item.php?roy-taylor-diabetes

shows BG lowering to normal range


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This is basically the century old Allen diet which was used to treat diabetes before the invention of insulin. Sadly chronic starvation ultimately leads to really bad things happening.

I think it might be too high in carb for that at 90g-100g [too high for my liking but it still seems to be ok]
it's only a short term course, it's intended to be the same as when someone goes for bariatric surgery, they are restricted by the amount of intake and about 70% have their t2 resolve and have normal insulin responses.
perhaps if you watched the video, it would explain it a lot better than I can and would value your opinion on it

they are currently funded doing a second trial with a larger number for 5 years, through the UK diabetic crowd

I am very familiar with this diet. It is sometimes called the "Newcastle diet." Rory is rather infamous. It is a low calorie starvation diet. You can read about it here. Eating 700 calories a day can be tolerated for perhaps a couple of weeks after which long-term damage becomes likely. I consider the claims made about this diet to be irresponsible and likely to harm people.

yes that's the one, surprisingly it's higher than the post surgery diet

http://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/dietary_guidelines_after_gastri...
For the first two months following surgery, your calorie intake should be between 300 and 600 calories a day, with a focus on thin and thicker liquids.
Daily caloric intake should not exceed 1,000 calories.

Recommended Meal Plan for Six Months Post-Surgery and Beyond Continue consuming 900 to 1,000 calories per day Decrease to three meals and only one to two snacks per day Discontinue taking high-protein liquid supplement drinks Increase the variety of low-fat, low-sugar and low-calorie foods, as tolerated Avoid raw vegetables, fresh fruits with skins, dried fruits, breads, popcorn, nuts and red meats only if poorly tolerated

excellent comment and I heard similar numbers from hospital here doing bariatric surgery.

My read is that the 600 calorie diet was to burn off excess fat in liver and pancreas and then increase diet to maintain stable weight.

Type 2 diabetes in this mans opinion is a result of excess glucose/energy production every day and the end result is pancreas being overwhelmed , skeletal muscles get loaded to gunnels and excess
glucose ends up in blood system with no where to go.

Hence increase exercise - energy burn, drop carbs intake and use metformin to shut down excess liver glucose release during fasting.

Adding more and more insulin does not solve this problem.

I would ignore this simply based on this statement:
"It is now clear that Type 2 diabetes is caused by abnormal fat storage."

your remark is neither logical nor helpful.

The folks at Newcastle have been doing research using
MRI spectography so they could see and analyze real time on live type 2 patients to watch as pancreas recovered on tight diet and see the uptick in pancreas insulin production as well as the other changes occurring in pancreas and their research work suggested most clearly that fat in the pancreas and islets was interfering with islet insulin production as well as in the liver interfering with its proper signalling.

In fact in their work; as soon as fat in pancreas/liver was absorbed out, they would see the type 2 diabetes cut back. Also that fat was the first to disappear while main belly fat and body fat remained and only reduced later well after the
improvements had been seen already as indicated.

Dumping baby out with bath water serves no good.

Your remark is neither logical nor helpful.

It may not have been helpful to you, but it is perfectly logical.

Correlation does not imply causation.

If it said that it “appears” or “our data suggests”, I might be bothered to read it.

However, absolute statement like this: “It is now clear that Type 2 diabetes is caused by abnormal fat storage.” are always wrong.

Their paper states the following:

Eleven people with type 2 diabetes (49.5 ± 2.5 years, BMI 33.6 ± 1.2 kg/m(2), nine male and two female) were studied…

That tells me everything I need to know.

it’s not a 100%, it depends on what pancreas cell function is left.

the fact that 70-80% of T2 have their diabetes go away after bariatric surgery tells me all I need to know Too

It was a very small group. They are now funded and doing a major 5 year study. http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/about/news/item/low-calorie-diets-for-type-2-diabetes-assessed-copy

It’s a paradigm shift, anyone remember the story about stomach ulcers, H. pylori.and how it is cured by a type of antibiotic and all the rubbishing they got before they were awarded the Nobel prize?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_peptic_ulcer_disease_and_H…

gut surgery result
http://www.diabetesforecast.org/2010/mar/weight-loss-surgery-and-ty...

A 2004 study found a 99 percent rate of diabetes remission with duodenal switch, but it is a complex surgery with a higher risk of death than bypass or banding (though that may be in part because it is not performed often).

but instead of a diet change, they are talking of rolling out stomach surgery
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/07July/Pages/Offer-weight-loss-surgery-…

“An expansion of weight loss surgery in England is being proposed to tackle an epidemic of type 2 diabetes,”

adding more insulin to someone who is insulin resistant, is like giving an alcoholic more alcohol to stop the shakes..sure it stops the shakes, but is there another way?

If it’s not 100%, then they should not say so (or imply).

It’s interesting research. But proves NOTHING. They are irresponsible and intellectually dishonest by saying so.

"And yet the medical community has not signed on in force, citing a lack of substantial scientific evidence…"
Make me go ‘Hummm’

There is no claim for 100% remission. There wasn't 100% in the initial trial.
my first post said ~70%

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Do you acknowledge that with bariatric surgery, there is about 70% remission in diabetes T2
http://www.diabetesforecast.org/2010/mar/weight-loss-surgery-and-ty...
[80-99% depending on the operation]

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I really don't understand the resistance to the point that. If the bariatric surgery diet and weight loss can put T2 into remission. Duplicating similar diet and weight loss can also put T2 into remission without an operation.

“It is now clear that Type 2 diabetes is caused by abnormal fat storage.”

Sounds pretty definitive to me, that is why I am ignoring it. Especially since the research behind that statement was based on a study of ELEVEN people in a tiny sample of genetic diversity.

Also reading some of the real research, it appears that the physical alteration of the gut may represent a greater impact than the caloric reduction does.

For anyone that wishes to read some first hand opinions, there are lots of topics on the diet and personal accounts
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/search/1901812/?q=newcastle+diet&o=date&c

for those that wish to read more, there are a lot of first hand accounts here
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/search/1901812/?q=newcastle+diet&o=date&c

Your remark is neither logical nor helpful.

It may not have been helpful to you, but it is perfectly logical.
Correlation does not imply causation.
If it said that it "appears" or "our data suggests", I might be bothered to read it.
However, absolute statement like this: "It is now clear that Type 2 diabetes is caused by abnormal fat storage." are always wrong.

Brboyer – a lawyer at work.

Vary rarely –if any is any disease 100% curable and numbers vary based upon success rate of any particular cure and Human body complexities.

Picking nit picking fights like this and hammering the author for being absolute seems
A bit perverse.

The more important issues is that folks at Newcastle are using advanced mri spectography to analyze changes in body and organs – pancreas and liver during the initial phases of their 600 calorie diet versus roux y – bariatric surgery and its after diet of 600 calories starting up.

To me a 30 year plus type 2 who has had some measure of success containing is own mess and managing, I am glad to see some advanced research into type 2 diabetes and its problems that in my mind so far have revolved around type 1 research and the pancreas while ignoring rest of body for type 2.

The explosion in type 2 numbers suggests very strongly that the old recycled data, diets
And information are having little impact or limited success,

Its high time for type 2 diabetes to properly research how glucose is stored, processed and what limitations exist in the body’s control strategies to control excess glucose generation
From diet, liver leakage and how it can after a while back up and overwhelm the pancreas.

I am proof that the Newcastle Diet does in fact work. I followed it perfectly and had my sugar go down from 960 to the 70’s-80’s in 8 weeks. I am now 3 years off of it and still free of diabetes and all the meds the doctors had me on. Roy Johnson is a genius in my opinion and saved my life with his research. That’s my 2 cents. Have a nice day all!

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