High Fiber Diet

Well the thing that really bothers me about Agave and other high fructose sweeteners (like FHCS) is that they are not well metabolized by our bodies. Fructose is converted by our livers to trigylcerides and then either stored as body fat or later cleared and further metabolized by your liver. It is not good for you and should be avoided as much as possible.

My suggestion. If you want to explore a high fiber diet. Eat lots of green veggies, become friends with things like spinach. Don’t turn to grains, beans and fruits for fiber except in controlled quantities. If you want to supplement, use natural fiber supplements like Konjac, eat shiritaki noodles.

Liz,
There was a time when I benifitted much on a soy-based diet, as I am lactose and gluten intolerant. But I’m now experiencing reactions to it, headaches for one, so am nixing that from my diet as well. I’m gathering more information on the different types of fibers, soluble and insoluble and am not sure yet which is most likely to benefit BG and insulin resistance.

Fresh spinach is also somewhat sweet tasting as a tea or broth. I’ve pureed the fresh as a liquid and natural sweetener in baking that works well.

I think he researched both, he was director of the diabetes center at the VA. I’m looking for more information. I discovered he’s now retired, though still working with the UK med school. I’m looking to find some contact information for him too and the criticism he made of Atkins diet.

Before going any further in this discussion; I have started my own religion and any of you are welcome to join. It is known as “The Church of the Single Doctrine.” The doctrine is…
"There shalt be no doctrines."
These days there are few if any places where you will find research on health whose funding is not coporate. Much research is biased and we have to read the studies ourselves and sharpen our critical thinking skills. I don’t promote Anderson, Atkins, or anyone. I just look to what works best in any given situation and make changes when the need arises.

Hi, Joyce. The nutritionist I see suggested I increase the fiber in my diet for the reason you mentioned: to stabilize blood sugar fluctuations. She suggested I take a gradual approach and start by adding things such as Fiber-One granola bars as snacks, Fiber-One cereal for those times when I would have a different brand, Fiber-One waffles and a whole-wheat or grain bread. As you can tell, she likes the Kashi Fiber-One products. I’ve been buying them for about 6 weeks now and will say that they taste great. My blood sugars are still all over the map, so I can’t really attest to the effectiveness of these items just yet. Hopefully I’ll be able to do that sometime soon. Hope this helps. —Anthony

It can work, but it has to be consumed in very, very small to moderate serving sizes. We can’t just ‘go to town’ on fiber, and not treat it like we would another carbohydrate. Eventually, it will get processed in the colon into glucose, making you high, especially if you consume more than the serving size… The cereal spikes me quite a bit… and the bars, I can only have them if they are a meal replacement, and not as a snack, anymore. I could never have the pancakes, or muffins. Restricting the amounts of carbs, total, and when you have them is simply the best way to avoid most spikes.

Scary what nutritionists advise. Nothing healthy about Fiber-One granola bars. It’s pure sugar & 29 grams of carbs per bar. Not surprising your BG is all over the place eating this junk. It’s a candy bar! Much better ways of getting fiber like eating vegetables.

Ingredients
Chicory Root Extract, Semisweet Chocolate Chips (Sugar, Chocolate Liquor, Cocoa Butter, Soy Lecithin, Natural Flavor)Oats, Rice Flour, High Maltose Corn Syrup, Barley Flakes, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Sugar, Maltodextrin, Canola Oil, Honey, Glycerin, Palm Kernel Oil, Tricalcium Phosphate, Soy Lecithin, Salt, Nonfat Milk, Malt Extract, Cocoa Processed with Alkali, Natural Flavor, Baking Soda, Color Added, Mixed Tocopherols Added to Retain Freshness.

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Instead of the cereal, how about what I have for breakfast. 4 easy over eggs, 2 sausages and a Thomas light english muffin. The english muffin is 100 calories, 1g fat, 22g carbs, 8g fiber and 7g protein. That is only 16 g net carbs (for the muffin, there are also carbs in the eggs).

Ingredients:

Unbleached Enriched Wheat Flour, (Flour, Malted Barley Flour, Reduced Iron, Niacin, Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Folic Acid), Water, Modified Food Starch, Soy Fiber, Yeast, Wheat Gluten, Whey Protein, Farina, Polydextrose, Wheat Protein Isolate, Toasted Corn Germ, Grain Vinegar, Natural Flavor, Nonfat Milk, Perservatives Calcium Propionate, Sorbic Acid), Salt, Cracked Wheat, Rye, Leavening (Monocalcium Phasphate, Sodium Acid Pyrophasphate, Baking Soda), Malt Soybean Oil, Ground Corn, Datem, Soy Flour, Brown Rice, Oats, Whey, Soybeans, Triticale, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Mono- and Diglycerides, Millet, Flaxseed, Barley, Ethoxylated Mono-and Diglycerides, Sucralose, Natamycin (A Natural Mold Inhibitor).

Still not totally perfect ingredients, but much better.

Oh dear! You know, I did the worlds most ignorant thing. I took her word for it and didn’t even look at the list of ingredients. You’re right…this is a great contribution to pushing my blood sugar even further off the mark. Thank you for pointing this out. I’ll go back to reviewing things myself. ANyone want a couple boxes of Fiber One bars?

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Thanks, Zoe.

You’d think in a summary whether subjects were T2 or T1 would be specified:) Must have been T2s because T1s don’t come off insulin. Also curious about these results because I have to question how many T2s in 1990 would even be on insulin.

Below are some abstracts and links to full text articles on the research into diabetes and high fiber diet spanning about thirty years. The search was for “Anderson JW and diabetes” (without the quotes) at PubMed.

High-fibre diets for diabetic and hypertriglyceridemic patients.
J W Anderson

Can Med Assoc J. 1980 November 22; 123(10): 975–979. PMCID: PMC1704970
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1704970/pdf/canmedaj014…

Diets high in complex carbohydrate result in lower insulin requirements than the high-fat diets conventionally used to treat diabetes. Accompanying unacceptable increases in fasting triglyceride levels can be overcome by increasing the fibre content of the diet. In diabetics a diet providing 70% of energy from carbohydrate and containing 35 to 40 g of fibre per 1000 Cal will rapidly reduce the plasma glucose level and the requirement for insulin or sulfonylurea. It will also lower the serum cholesterol and triglyceride levels in individuals with hypertriglyceridemia. These improvements are maintained in patients following a modified high-carbohydrate, high-fibre diet providing 55% to 60% of energy by carbohydrate (75% of which is complex), 15% to 20% by protein and 20% to 30% by fat, with 25 g of plant fibre per 1000 Cal. With long-term use (for up to 48 months) of the maintenance diets patients maintained or corrected their body weight, and no nutritional deficiencies were observed.

Long-term effects of high-carbohydrate, high-fiber diets on glucose and lipid metabolism: a preliminary report on patients with diabetes.
Diabetes Care. 1978 Mar-Apr; 1(2):77-82.

Anderson JW, Ward K.

High-carbohydrate, high-fiber (HCF) diets have beneficial therapeutic effects for selected patients with diabetes mellitus. We have treated 10 patients with HCF diets on a metabolic ward and followed them for an average of 15 months while they were on maintenance diets at home. The HCF diets containing 70 per cent of calories as carbohydrate were accompanied by significant reductions in requirements for insulin or sulfonylureas. Fasting plasma glucose, serum cholesterol, and triglyceride values were significantly lower on the HCF diet than on a 43 per cent carbohydrate diet. On the HCF diet, insulin therapy was discontinued for five patients and sulfonylurea therapy for three. After an average of 15 months on the maintenance diet containing 55 per cent to 60 per cent carbohydrate, seven patients were still managed without insulin or sulfonylureas. Average fasting plasma glucose values during maintenance diets at home were identical to values on the HCF diets in the hospital. On the maintenance diet, serum cholesterol values were similar to initial values but serum triglyceride values were significantly lower than values on the 43 per cent carbohydrate diet. These studies indicate that moderately high-carbohydrate, high-fiber diets can be successfully followed at home and that improvements in glucose metabolism achieved in the hospital can be sustained outside the hospital.
PMID: 729433 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Adherence to high-carbohydrate, high-fiber diets: long-term studies of non-obese diabetic men.
J Am Diet Assoc. 1985 Sep; 85(9):1105-10.
[J Am Diet Assoc. 1985]

Story L, Anderson JW, Chen WJ, Karounos D, Jefferson B.

High-carbohydrate, high-fiber (HCF) diets provide short-term benefits for selected individuals with diabetes. Long-term effects of HCF diets, however, have not previously been documented. The effectiveness and acceptability of HCF diets for 14 men with diabetes followed for 4 years as outpatients were assessed. Hospital HCF diets with 70% of energy as carbohydrate and 65 gm plant fiber daily lowered insulin doses, serum cholesterol, and triglycerides. Home HCF diets with 55% to 60% carbohydrate and 50 gm plant fiber daily sustained improvements throughout the observed period of up to 86 months. Of the 11 patients for whom diet adherence was evaluated, 9 had good to excellent adherence, 1 had fair adherence, and 1 had poor adherence.

PMID: 2993398 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Effects of dietary fiber and carbohydrate on glucose and lipoprotein metabolism in diabetic patients.
Diabetes Care. 1991 Dec; 14(12):1115-25

Riccardi G, Rivellese AA.

Institute of Internal Medicine and Metabolic Diseases, Second Medical School, University of Naples, Italy.

Dietary recommendations for the treatment of diabetic patients issued by national and international diabetes associations consistently emphasize the need to increase carbohydrate consumption. However, these recommendations have been questioned on the basis of growing evidence that, in both insulin-dependent and non-insulin-dependent diabetic patients, a high-carbohydrate diet does not offer any advantage in terms of blood glucose and plasma lipid concentrations compared with a high-fat (mainly unsaturated) diet. It has been shown repeatedly that a high-carbohydrate diet increases plasma insulin and triglyceride levels and can deteriorate blood glucose control in the postprandial period. However, much of the controversy between advocates and detractors of dietary carbohydrate can be settled by taking into account dietary fiber. Several studies have shown that the adverse metabolic effects of high-carbohydrate diets are neutralized when fiber and carbohydrate are increased simultaneously in the diet for diabetic patients. In particular, these studies demonstrated that a high-carbohydrate/high-fiber diet significantly improves blood glucose control and reduces plasma cholesterol levels in diabetic patients compared with a low-carbohydrate/low-fiber diet. In addition, a high-carbohydrate/high-fiber diet does not increase plasma insulin and triglyceride concentrations, despite the higher consumption of carbohydrates. Unfortunately, dietary fiber represents a heterogenous category, and there is still much to understand as to which foods should be preferred to maximize the metabolic effects of fiber. There are indications that only water-soluble fiber is active on plasma glucose and lipoprotein metabolism in humans. Therefore, in practice, the consumption of legumes, vegetables, and fruits–rich in water-soluble fiber–should be particularly encouraged. The mechanisms by which dietary fiber exerts its hypoglycemic and hypolipidemic activities are unknown. However, the ability of dietary fiber to retard food digestion and nutrient absorption certainly has an important influence on lipid and carbohydrate metabolism. The beneficial effects of high-fiber foods are also exerted by some foods not particularly rich in fiber. The fiber content and physical form of the food can influence the accessibility of nutrients by digestive enzymes, thus delaying digestion and absorption. The identification of these foods with a low-glycemic response would help enlarge the list of foods particularly suitable for diabetic patients. In conclusion, a diet low in cholesterol and saturated fat should be recommended to all diabetic patients to prevent cardiovascular disease. A balanced increase in consumption of fiber-rich foods and unsaturated fat is the most rational way to replace foods rich in saturated fat and cholesterol in the diabetic diet.

PMID: 1663443 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Carbohydrate and fiber recommendations for individuals with diabetes: a quantitative assessment and meta-analysis of the evidence.
Anderson JW, Randles KM, Kendall CW, Jenkins DJ.
J Am Coll Nutr. 2004 Feb; 23(1):5-17.

Department of Internal Medicine, College of Medicine, and the Graduate Center for Nutritional Sciences, University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky, USA. jwandersmd@aol.com

To review international nutrition recommendations with a special emphasis on carbohydrate and fiber, analyze clinical trial information, and provide an evidence-based recommendation for medical nutrition therapy for individuals with diabetes. Relevant articles were identified by a thorough review of the literature and the data tabulated. Fixed-effects meta-analyses techniques were used to obtain mean estimates of changes in outcome measures in response to diet interventions. Most international organizations recommend that diabetic individuals achieve and maintain a desirable body weight with a body mass index of </=25 kg/m(2). For diabetic subjects moderate carbohydrate, high fiber diets compared to moderate carbohydrate, low fiber diets are associated with significantly lower values for: postprandial plasma glucose, total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol, and triglycerides. High carbohydrate, high fiber diets compared to moderate carbohydrate, low fiber diets are associated with lower values for: fasting, postprandial and average plasma glucose; hemoglobin A(1c); total, LDL-cholesterol, HDL-cholesterol and triglycerides. Low glycemic index diets compared to high glycemic index diets are associated with lower fasting plasma glucose values and lower glycated protein values. Based on these analyses we recommend that the diabetic individual should be encouraged to achieve and maintain a desirable body weight and that the diet should provide these percentages of nutrients: carbohydrate, >/=55%; protein, 12-16%; fat, <30%; and monounsaturated fat, 12-15%. The diet should provide 25-50 g/day of dietary fiber (15-25 g/1000 kcal). Glycemic index information should be incorporated into exchanges and teaching material.
PMID: 14963049 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
LINK to Full Article:
http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/23/1/5

This link is to further studies in journals at NIH PubMed. In the right column are links to 40 reviews and 48 free full text related articles online.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=link&amp…$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pmc

There is probably no such thing as a good carb. When I want to cheat pure semolina pasta fettuchini’s no fibre to make them more yummy, I can match the 50 grams of fettuchinis with 12 units of insulin a hell of a lot. Metamucil = good fibre no BG spike. If Dr. a is funded by food companies then there is no limit to the possible evil. The present epidemic of diabetes may be due to an overconsumption of carbs.

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Yes to all of this. The 50 grams (dry) of low fibre fettucinis are matched well by 12 units of novorapid in my case so why rock the boat with fibre. Fibre is excellent for other reasons but not BG control.

It is better to add fiber slowly. I have a coworker who started having some heart palpatations, so he decided to change his lifestyle overnight. He more than doubled his normal fiber intake and eliminated junk food and was constipated for like 3 or 4 weeks. It sends a shock to the system if you change things too drastically.

My nutritionist recommended first figure out how much you get regularly, and then increasing no more than 5 grams/day each week. That way it gives your system some time to adjust. Fiber is so good for you, though. It helps prevent colon cancer, and some other cancers, and some research has concluded that said it may help prevent strokes.

I made that mistake too. Also, increasing the amount of beans slowly can give the body time to adapt and eliminate the gas problem for many.

Interesting! I just started the Prevention Dtour diet, which is extremely high in fiber, low in refined carbs (160 gms a day max), high in Calcium (I haven’t eaten as much cheese, yogurt, and dairy since my dx), Omega 3’s (fish and nuts), and Vitamin D (green leafy vegetables). I have not only lost 10 lbs since 1/4/10, but also my Bgs have never risen above 100 (now, granted I’m on Byetta and Metformin), but I have found this to be an extremely responsive diet for a T2.

The only other diet that I’ve had a lot of success on is the Zone diet.

I have got to tell you though, I am dying with the amount of fiber!

I was AMAZED! I am eating cereal (Kashi, and Kellog’s Low Fat Granola) - now not that much in portion, but still. I am eating bananas, and I have never had a diet that has helped me lose the weight, feel more energetic, AND stabilized my BGS like this one has.

There has to be something to this combination.

That’s great! How wonderful to feel better, lose weight & have better numbers. Can’t ask for anything more than that. Well, maybe less bathroom breaks:)

Wow that is great MomsL8! How often and when do you test your bs?

Most definitely!

It’s visibly noticeable that when I eat lots of fresh fruits, vegetables, and whole grains (especially oatmeal!!!), as well as high protein foods such as peanut butter and tofu, that my sugars are usually stable for the entire day (I am used to going low a lot )…it definitely works!