Switching to MDI after Pump Therapy

Sorry. Punched reply too soon. Anyway here’s that chart:

Outside the ring of hours are my pump basal rates that used to work. (My night rates are way lower, like you - an eighth of day rates and also, Dawn phenomena :frowning:). The next ring out I plotted my bgs from my CGM, and outside the whole chart I wrote in insulin shots and food intake etc. at the time they occurred. Not sure if it can help you figure it out.
I started working with NPH and Humalog Later, worrying I was reacting to Humalog, I switched to Lantus and Novolog. Too many shots! But I can survive on the regimen if I have to. Good to know.

My cousin also mentioned that the OTC antihistamine, Zyrtec calmed her skin reactivity to all the things. I tried it (the generic of it) and it worked for me too. Medical adhesives triggered my systemic reaction rejecting infusion sets, but now, if I use tegaderm type stuff under infusion sets and take the Zyrtec pill daily I can use my t-slim with Novolog in it and finally sleep through the night again. I still react a little around the edge of the tegaderm, but it’s ok, heals fast.

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Thank you for this! That is a very usefull chart and I appreciate your explanation of how you are using it.

Good luck - and I hope you figure out what is happening with you too. MCAS/MCAD sounds like a nightmare! I am going to look into it further as it may be part of the trigger for the way my body shuts down the pumped insulin so quickly.

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Here’s a blank one, if you think you can use it. Over the day, I’d make a bg line mimicking the CGM line. For me, in range is 80 to 180 mg/dl. as labeled on the upper right I printed a bunch of these out and penciled the data onto them. Good luck! I managed to keep myself below 6 A1C, which surprised me! I use a Libre, and it reads about 20 points high much of the time. For me a hard thing about shots is that you have to note when and how much you take, then calculate your IOB. Too easy to forget to write it down! There are good apps that others use, but I’m older and not tech savvy. Do you have extreme insulin sensitivity when in the 70-130 range? And also extreme resistance above, say 170? I do. So complicated!! Oh well. We just keep trying, right? Wishing you well in all the ways. Let me know if you find other helpful things. I’m probably going to have to dump the pump again in the future, because I’m down to back and butt sites if I don’t want them to blow up into red itchy hives. Arghh! Yet I feel lucky and glad to be alive. :hugs: Life is weird!

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Just wanted to check back in. It took a while but on Thanksgiving, I finally ‘bit’ the bullet and went back on MDI. I had thought to do it earlier but the situation with Levemir no longer being available after being prescribed caused me to do further assessments as I was hoping to go on Levemir.

On Thanksgiving morning my pump was causing me problems again - 2 failed infusion sites, new insulin, new cartridge and still not bringing my bg levels down. After beginning to experience ketones my frustrations took over and I started the regime I had been planning.

Earthling, thank you SO MUCH for your graph! I used that to try and calculate how much and what type of insulin and when to inject. My overnight bolus amounts totalled around 3 units between midnight and 8 am while my day time amounts were 11 or 12 units so night time was only 1/4 daytime bolus amounts. I started with 12 units of Lantus in the morning with 4 units at night. Sadly, I spent overnight fighting off constant lows. So, I modified the amount to 13 U day and 3 U overnight - same problem. So, I went up to 14 U day and took 2 U units at midnight which was fine until 6 am when I started bottoming out again and continued into the morning (Lantus peaking). Finally, I tried just one dose of Lantus - 13 units and checked to see how long it would last. It apparently is effective for about 23 hours, so much better than it was when I first used it. I have stabilized at 14 U of Lantus and that seems to be doing the trick.

I used Earthling’s chart to determine when I needed the least amount of insulin which was between 4 and 8 am, so started the regime of 14 units at 10:00 am and then modified it to 10:30 am. My blood glucose levels do a mild drop around 6 am - which is part of my body’s normal rate and I had a basal rate for that on my pump - and then stabilize and only starts rising very gradually starting around 10.

The Lantus starts to take effect about an hour after I take it so any other rise in the morning I can address with mealtime breakfast humalog. I do find that I need more meal time or correction humalog in the afternoon after 3 or 4 pm for a few hours - and again, my pump mimicked that with my highest basal rates at that time.

I am actually still using my pump because I can use it to track IOB and what an appropriate meal time shot would be. I keep a cartridge in the pump with older insulin that is expired (and I will use water when I need to), keep it charged and then enter the carbs and the bg reading to get the predicted shot. I then tell the pump to ‘inject’ it (into the air) but I have the IOB that I can just check. I Use the Humalog Jr. pen so can dose humalog in .5 U. Using the pump as I guide I am developing an awareness of when I give the predicted amount by the pump ( my shots are .5. 1, 1.5 or 2) or if I need to ‘up’ that dose. I eat low carb so have only needed to have 3 units once so far.

So far, so good. My total daily insulin while on the pump varied from 18 to 22 units. My MDI total daily insulin runs 19 to 24 units combined and my control seems to be better. Yes, that’s right - I see the insulin working faster and doing what is expected when it is expected which was not happening with my pump due to absorption problems. Once I figured out the cause of the lows overnight I am able to manage my lows (which I consider below 85) with a few grapes, etc. I also am showing less variability so the only thing that has really changed is the delivery method as I am trying to duplicate what my pump did as closely as I can with the tools available.

Psychologically and physically, I feel better! I feel unencombered, don’t have to worry about finding a safe injection site that will absorb (much more territory available to me now), changing sites and cartridges every 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 days, and worrying if this high is a legitimate high or a technology failure high.

Sure, it was easier to bolus using the pump but I am getting used to doing the shots and they really are not that intrusive. I inject before each meal and occasionally a .5 or 1 U correction during the afternoon as needed. The biggest advantage is I feel safer without having to worry about unexplained highs and ketones and pump sites that don’t absorb and waiting the hours to find out if this is going to be another one of those times where I won’t get to sleep because my technology is not behaving, or the pump slips because the clip is loose or lying on it at night or it getting in the way while doing yoga, etc. I didn’t realize just how stressful that all was. After 12 years who would have guessed!

I have my next A1C in January so will be interested in seeing what happens there. So, thank you all for the support and I just wanted to say, I am glad I switched back although it is still only 2 weeks.

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@Kathryn41 – I admire your initiative and problem solving. I think people are often discouraged from changing their insulin regime due to perceived complexity or the risk involved. Yet there’s risk with anything to do with insulin–even deciding to maintain your current regimen!

It’s been a while since I took a pump vacation but I remember the sense of accomplishment I felt once I did it. Knowing that I had recent real-life experience with both pump therapy and MDI felt good. Plus there’s the cognitive stimulation of the trouble-shooting and trial and error experimentation.

Good for you; give yourself a pat on the back! Nice update.

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I have been on MDI for about 3 months now and found this app to be incredibly helpful - keeps track of IOB and has a TON of useful features! Give it a try - it’s in Beta testing but works just how I need it to. Then you don’t need to use your pump.
Gluroo - The Collaborative Diabetes Management App

Thank you! I will check it out :slightly_smiling_face:

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I switch to injections often for various reasons, I always am relieved to go back to my pump though. I guess everyone has their preference. When I was on MDI long term my injection sites would bleed and stain my shirts. On the pump I deal with absorption issues as well, so there is always something.
I also like the discrete nature of a pump where I can bolus anywhere and people only see I’m on my phone.
In my job there is no way I could take a correction injection, and that was what lead me to pump in the first place.

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So the moment of truth. I had my first visit with my endocrinologist since I switched back to MDI November 28th. I was worried about bloodwork and my A1c increasing, but it didn’t! It is 6.3, 94 - 100% TIR depending on the different 2 week periods (the worst was the first 2 weeks when I switched and was still trying to find my protocol) and I am actually using less insulin than on the pump and my sensitivity - which was always pretty high - has increased.

I did a variation on Earthling’s chart which I found was key to getting the dosages ‘right’. I blocked out the hours in a day and the basal rates from my pump on a graph. It showed exactly when my highest and lowest insulin needs were and a very obvious daily pattern that I was able to use. I will try to attach a photo of the graph. My endocrinologist was impressed and pleased and said just to keep on doing what I am doing because it is obviously working. Nw I can start working on getting that A1c back down below 6 where it was before I started having absorption issues.

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