I’m at a loss to offer any logical comeback that might cause people like this to reconsider their conclusion. When people don’t agree on a common set of facts then arguments aiming to persuade are futile and do more harm than good.
Maybe the best tactic is to express commiseration and extend a sincere offer to help ease her illness. How about this? “What rotten luck! Here, try some of this cinnamon-spiced tea.” (or perhaps some folk-remedy like a hot toddy)
I’m worried people wont get the corona vaccine because of this.
I don’t know how we overcome this.
I take hope in the credible sources who estimate that a vaccination threshold of somewhere around 60% will be enough to produce herd immunity. They don’t know the number exactly but their projections are based on what they do know about the nature of this virus. I hope they’re right since I realize that a certain percentage of our population will refuse to receive a vaccination.
I think we are dead meat if he end up having to depend on other people. I just don’t know what we are gonna do. Although, there’s been an absolute run on seasonal flu vaccines, so maybe we can hit that 60% sweet spot. A lot of people are holding their kids back outta school, so when it comes to their kids, a lot of people seem to be taking it kinda serious.
I think we got a default 10% for which vaccination might as well not exist. But, that might be as high as 30% with the general state of paranoia and it being a new vaccine and all.
You think we can hit that 60%? IDK. I don’t know if we can. I hope enough people still have enough health insurance coverage by the end of this to make that 60% happen. After talking to a lot of people my own age, I have real doubts.
Maybe what they have are bad allergies and not the flu? I have bad allergies now, darn ragweed. The first frost does not always end it. Once harvest season starts here in Nebraska, that is the worst time for allergies and I feel like I have the flu every fall for about a month. I don’t live out in the country either. This year has been really bad for allergies for me, this last spring I kept wondering if I may have had Covid?
She doesn’t have the flu.
But, this happens every year during cold/flu season.
Someone gets sick and assumes the vaccine made them sick.
New issues of Diabetes Care and Diabetes are out (https://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/), from the ADA, and this caught my eye. Haven’t read it yet…
https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/43/10/e120?rss=1
This seems to be positive, but deserves a careful read…
There are so many theories about covid going through internet that you don’t even know what the truth is…
What they know, for sure, is this.
In the US ( a large sample size),
40% of covid deaths are people with diabetes.
25% of covid hospitalizations are people with diabetes.
That’s why American Diabetes Association is freaking out.
A theory seemingly confirmed, that the Covid that spread was a special variant…
I knew my cousin Frankie caused things to get worse when he breaths on them.
Well, the first thing to do is stop reading things “going through the internet”, by which I mean avoid illegitimate sources, social media, word-of-mouth, discussion forums, etc., at least as good sources of information. Depending on your understanding of science, get your information from legitimate sources, e.g., Consumer Reports, The NY Times, Nature. Immediately disbelieve conspiracies, unless legitimate sources report it as fact.
Even with good sources, there will be some confusion, as there are always questions, so some tolerance of ambiguity is necessary.
Can you explain or expand on your comment?
I saw a video of Stanford grand rounds on the bradykinin pathway a few months ago. They’re calling it a subgroup. I thought your link was going to be on the strong association (yes, I know, association) between MMR vaccination and mild symptoms of contracted Covid 19.
@The_Senator_From_Glu – This study looks persuasive, especially since the MMR II vaccine has been shown to be safe.
Based upon our study, it would be prudent to vaccinate those over 40 regardless of whether or not they already have high serum MMR titers.
I wonder how much resistance my primary care doc and payers would present if I proposed this vaccination. My endo recently refused to order a blood test for zinc since he was not satisfied with the supporting science about zinc and Covid-19 severity. I thought he might relax his standards during this pandemic emergency as well as the fact that a blood test carries little risk, but he did not. I still supplemented zinc but would have liked the feedback of a blood test.
Based on this article and the fact that an MMR vaccination is considered safe with few side effects, I would get this vaccine. But I’d rather not have to persuade the doctor that we should do this. I wonder just how much of my doctors’ reluctance is due to central business-based decisions of the hospital system my doctors are part of?
I just continue to be amazed at the doggedness with which many docs practice their gate-keeping roles. What I can say - so many things I want to say, but won’t - is that you can, at your own expense, order your own blood tests. My doc (an Osteopath, BTW) has tested my zinc in the past, and in general has no problem with the blood tests I request (I test on my own many times during the year - ‘many’ = 3, that I pay for myself), but the thing that might be worth researching is the best zinc tests to get. I don’t know much about zinc testing, at all. Urine better than blood? I have 0 idea. It’s worth researching. I say that because magnesium is also a mineral that is tricky to test, and I’ve heard (but don’t know with certainty) that the RBC mag test is the best, and I’ve gotten that and will likely continue to get it because I have heard it’s more accurate than just a serum test. But again, I haven’t gone into detail about it.
As far as the MMR vaccine(s) is concerned, again - I urge more research on everyone’s individual parts. Have you had any of those diseases (measles, mumps and / or rubella)? Are you sure that if you by chance had all three, that that is not also protective? I’d want to understand it up and down, first. I just posted it without really being able to answer detailed questions about it. I have had those vaccinations, but individually and with boosters as I was born before 1970 when the MMR vaccine (the three in one) in the US debuted, I believe. As a HC worker, I’ve also had to prove I have the titers.
ETA: I also had mumps when I was 1.5 to 2 years old and got the booster mumps vaccine about 3 years later.
When I read about this idea a few months ago, it wasn’t actually having the illness that was protective but the vaccine, because children seemed immune. I haven’t been following this thread here, but it is plausible that some kinds of prior illnesses help develop immunity, similar the 1918 flu, where those older people that lived through a prior epidemic were protected while many younger people, without exposure to that prior flu, died.
I’m having a bit of a hard time understanding why it is that immunization would be more protective than having had the disease (in my case, I had both mumps and the mumps vaccine). I’ll need to drag out my microbiology textbook, probably, to understand why this is. For me, it’s always important to challenge what I’m learning with questions, and among the questions I’m asking now is: right, so children aren’t, generally speaking, affected by Covid 19. Now, there are other theories for this, aside from MMR vaccination. (Keep in mind, there are many parents who regularly refuse to vaccinate their children.) But putting that to the side for a moment, my main issue is - a child does not receive the first dose of MMR until he/she is 1 year old, so that’s a whole lot of kids who are not vaccinated with the MMR vaccine.
My microbiology text (very basic) was little help, so I still can’t quite figure out why mumps vaccination (or ok, MMR vaccine) would be more effective than the disease(s) itself.
Not a medical person myself, but I could make several hypotheses:
Receiving all three simultaneously has a different effect on the immune response than having any or all individually, provoking a broader, or at least different, immunity
A vaccine creates a different response than having the illness, even though both would affect the immune system, teaching the immune system how to handle the ‘attacker’, and providing protection. The resulting learned response from a vaccine might be more flexible
Also, to be honest, as hypotheses that need to be validated, one could flip each one to the be the other, i.e., that receiving vaccines are less effective, or that the learned response is less adequate. It all depends on what the facts are, which is more effective, that would dictate what to test or.
@The_Senator_From_Glu - From Nature Medicine, referencing this article Toward superhuman SARS-CoV-2 immunity?, describing how a vaccine might infer greater immunity than infection. Although they do agree that infection generally provides greater immunity, they describe several well-known diseases where vaccines confer greater protection, tetanus, HPV, et al.
Vaccines and ‘superhuman’ immunity
Vaccines for some pathogens — tetanus, for example — generate stronger immune responses and more-effective protection than does natural infection. Dennis Burton and Eric Topol at the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, California, explore whether a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 might cause such ‘superhuman’ immunity. More research is needed, but considering the interim results for the leading vaccines and the huge ongoing efforts, they’re optimistic that it’s an achievable goal.