Exercise with old age

Good on you Richard. I admire your spunk.

The idea is to just keep moving, it doesn’t matter so much how.

My first thought was for you to use hiking poles instead of a walker for more of a “cool” factor, but if you fall, it might be better to have the walker to get back up again. But heck, you’re 83 and a t1d for 77 years. You are already very cool in my eyes.

My next thought was swimming, but you mentioned that you wouldn’t have the arm strength for that. How about pool aerobics, or aquafit? It’s very gentle and you can easily work to your limits. You could float with a pool noodle and just use your legs if that’s what works for you. Also, it’s a good social activity which can be important in the winter months.

Good luck to you with whatever you do!

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Hi Richard:

You are truly an inspiration to us young folks finding it more and more difficult to exercise as we age. I am a mere 74 diabetic for almost 35 years and went from jogging to competitive inline skate marathons globally to walking when Covid started. Globally, walking appears to be the one form of exercise that is the easiest to maintain and control. I have a mountain behind my house so I aim for 21,000 steps a day when the weather permits but on lousy days end up doing only 6,000 - 8,000 steps at my office and large factory building.

I have seen a lot of older people outside on the rail trails with their walkers when the weather is acceptable and always missed them when they are no longer around to chat with. You might want to consider “Mall Walking”. That is what I am considering as my next step for days challenged by the weather and poor outdoor conditions. My nearest mall is a 35 minute drive so not my first choice, but perhaps the best choice. In a mall, the walking surfaces are far smoother than walking outdoors, there are always people around in case help is needed, the paramedics know all the malls well so emergency help is just a quick call away, and you are relatively close to your car so if you just feel like going home it is not as if you have a multi-mile walk back to your car.

My preference is always outdoors before indoors, but indoors is certainly better than nothing. Please keep us posted on how you mitigate your concerns. We all look forward to hearing from you. You are awesome, keep plugging along and let us know.

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Totally agree with this. Sure, take advantage of other suggestions about activities at the gym too, but if some days you feel more like going for a spontaneous walk around the neighborhood than driving to a gym, by all means do it.

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Yes, I too am glad to have a shopping cart as I walk several times from one end of a supermarket and back to the other, several times a week. I agree even that kind exercise can be very beneficial, but at age 93 and with borderline osteoporosis I have to be extra careful. I have had somewhat younger friends, strong believers in exercise, who are no longer living due to accidents.

One of them was a great believer in the benefits of bicycling and used to ride about five miles out of town several times a week. He was very safety conscious. When he wanted to turn back, without fail he would ride to an intersection controlled by a traffic light, dismount, and walk his bike across the highway while the traffic light was in his favor. One day someone in a hurry driving a pick-up truck killed him as he was walking across the road. Good exercise, but fatal. Biking along a road is also dangerous because of the gravel always present on the margins (not to mention vehicles zooming past).

Another friend liked to putter around his yard doing gardening. That’s good exercise, too, but one day his wife found him, fallen and unconscious, on the carport floor. He spent the next three weeks comatose in the hospital before he died.

Other friends have survived falls, but not without serious consequences. One with mild osteoporosis fell on concrete about four years ago, broke her hip, and has been in continual pain ever since her surgery such that she has little interest in life.

In short, when we’re really elderly there are considerations besides the benefits of exercise to take into account.

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@emelvy, thanks for your report. I had a hard fall a few years ago and hit my head on concrete. I had subdural hematoma (bleeding on the brain), Holes were drilled in my skull to release the blood and pressure on my brain. I was lucky to survive.

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Well, I’m only 76 (feel so young, in this thread!) and only 68 years diabetic. But, since this latest flare up of sciatica and a fall in September, have been using my rolling walker on all serious walks or errands. I live in a dense city neighborhood, with sidewalks, but my favorite walk is in the vehicle-restricted road area of the nearby park, where the paved surface is so much easier on my hands. But, even on crowded sidewalks, people have been inclined to be accommodating, I’ve noticed. I have been nervous the times I’ve tried to use roadways when no alternative, though.

Thanks for suggestion above about rowing machine: I go to the Y 2 or 3 times a week, but have mostly been using recumbent bike, elliptical trainer, and a little of the stepper. Rowers are usually empty, indeed, and do look hard to get up from, but I should try it.

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@LZ1, there is a machine at my gym called a “Seated Row”. It involves the same action as a typical rowing machine, but the seat is high enough that getting up is easier. There are handles tp hold while pulling yourself up.

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In my area, I only walk against traffic now to see the drivers on their phones talking or texting and wandering all over the road. I think many of our accidents are driver inattention related.

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I live close to a small woods with winding gravel and paved pathways. The gravel path goes through the woods and is the nicest part of the walk. When I take my dogs for a walk there, I often see a lady with a wheeled walker on the gravel path. She pushes it so quickly, I’m in awe of her. She passes me all the time. I’m not saying that you will want to race about as you push your walker, but as long as the roads are safe and you can go along at your own pace, no one will give you a second glance, except perhaps, in admiration.

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Walker technologies like most others just keep improving. I have been watching my 101 year old mother graduate form using a cane a few years ago to a walker for indoor use to a pretty high tech rollator for outdoor use over rough surfaces. It is interesting to look at the latest suspension and shock absorbers on these contraptions. I guess we don’t really look at all the features and benefits until we need them for our individual use. The biggest pain I see is when I take her out to eat, her rollators keep getting bigger and bigger and more difficult to fit into the back seating area of the car. At her age, I am just so blessed and lucky to still having her around and living independently that I can certainly put up with the periodic fight with the rollator.

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“How will that look?” You will look like you are alive. If you walk on roads, even if you do it facing the oncoming traffic in the closest lane, you will look like you will be hit by a car. You lack the ability to dive out of the way of a texting teenage driver.

I’m going to make an assumption, that because you are here asking about what you can do, you are open to suggestions because you want to stay alive and have a life of participation not spectation.

I know from experience that I could always find a reason to not exercize, to sit instead of standing, to stay in instead of going out, to order online instead of in a store. Being physically actove on a job when I was working I never needed to go to a gym or “exercize” to stay fit. I dread Chicago winters because we are expected to keep working until snowplows stop moving.

I had to give up driving because of neuropathy; I couldn’t find the pedals. Back pain cut my shipping trips down to 20 minutes on my feet. Within a year of being an active independent person who throught nothing of a solo cross country trip by car or crawling under it mid trip to pull off a wheel and rebuild a stuck caliper, I became a Laz-y-boy cushion +12 hours a day.

Then I heard from my 96 year old mother that she was frustrated beeing cooped up for 10 days of COVID quarantine. She’s had knees replaced and wears a pacemaker. My biggest problem is doctors who keep harping about my having diabetes, my being “old” and how everything is a “risk factor”, but don’t do anything to help me reduce those risks, they just drain my willpower. I was embarrassed.

We could both be described as lacking strength and stamina and concerned about falling. Neuropathy is only a factor in the last one. The thing about exercize is the less we do the less we can do.

Muscles only grow weaker with prolonged rest and stronger with exercize that pushes them to their safe limits. If we quit before reaching them, they will deteriorate. The same is true with balance and getting up from the ground; those are skills. They need practice and refinement.

What can we do? We start over and we don’t give up.

Before thinking about exercize, blood sugar control and nuitrition are critical. Getting good “time in range” is impoortant to safety. (If you aren’t using one yet consider a CGM. )

Enough protein in our diet is as important to building strength as having enough carbohydrates. As we become more active, we will need to start eating more. Not a lot more, but more. Protein from vegetable sources like endame can be added to a BG -control diet with very small impact on BG. (The added fiber is good for improving BMs). Exercizing at the right times can improve BG control, mute meal peaks.

  1. Find out why we fall - from professionals who are trained to watch and correct. Virtually every insurance plan for seniors cpvers physical therapy because it reduces the cost of medical servoies.

I was assessed by a physical therpist. I learned that because I have autonomic neuropathy, I must stand up slowly so I don’t faint. I need to have enough light to orient myself visually, think about where I want to move and and move deliberately. I need to find a comfortable erect posture where I’m in balance - not stand up straight like a marine in a parade. If the ground is slippery or uncertain like covered with snow, I need to try to avoid it. Because I can’t feel the ground under my feet and things at ankle height, if the ground is slippery or uncertain (like covered with snow), I need to try to avoid it or carefully use a walking stick, cane or walker.

  1. Learn to be aware of our bodies and how to use them, as they are now. Most of us leaned an inefficient way to move as babies that had all the time they needed, attentive caregivers, and bodies that were padded, flexible and capable of rapid healing. Those became our default movements. We don’t have those conditions or those bodies any more.

Feldenkrais is a low effort method that is great for exploring how to use what we have to use. It has no philosphy besides “good movement can always be reversed”, requires no belief, and it works. On Youtube search for “standing up Feldenkrais with Taro Iwamoto”. He has lessons you can follow to stand safely from any position and to return to those positions with minimum effort and maximum safety.

  1. Start to exercise daily.

If there are safe places for us to walk, then we should walk. If we lack stamina, then we can walk at home and climb stairs with good handrails until we can walk longer times and distances. Safe public places to walk are the ones my mother uses - enclosed malls, libraries with carpeted floors and big box stores.

If falling is a concern, there are machines like the basic total gym where we can exercize legs and or arms while lying down. Small weights and elastic exercise bands can be used while sitting to build back uo arm strength.

  1. Do a little more each day. One more rep, one more step or one more minute longer than yesterday.
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@pstud123m thanks so mich! That was a great post.

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@pstud123 That’s a nice site too! Thanks!

@pstud123 said it all very thoroughly and I don’t have anything to add…except an anecdote. My mother is still walking at 102 1/2 although it is mostly indoors now. When she walked outdoors (until about 100) she had a loop route of about 1/2 mile that was partly sidewalk and partly street edge, fairly flat and easy. The route took her through a pretty quiet neighborhood and the people who lived along that route all watched out for her. If she looked like she was slow or struggling a neighbor would offer her a ride home and there were some days when she accepted the offer. I think it helped that she wore a bright orange jacket and usually stuck to the same route/schedule so the neighbors would be watching for her. It also helped that this was in a small town and she was born in the house next door to the house she now lives in, so the neighbors all knew her or knew of her before she started the walking routine.

Anyway, the moral of the anecdote is if your walking routine brings you along a consistent route at roughly the same time every day you may find some neighbors that develop a routine of watching you walk past and watching out for you.

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That’s an interesting anecdote.

Having moved many times and lived in small towns and large cities, I can’t imagine being her circumstances. To me it sounds like Mayberry. I’ve lived in one older middle class pre-commuter community for 40 years among a rapidly changing set of neighbors.

Unlike Blanche Dubois, I don’t rely on the kindness of strangers. It’s appreciated if it happens, but isn’t reliable.

Your mother is incredibly lucky and blessed in many ways
But I wouldn’t characterize her example as having lesson to learn from, because as older people we can’t retroactively shape our situations to be similar.

My mother lives in a small southern town that I consider friendly, even nosey. Everyone older watches their neighbors and gossips about activities probably from lack of other things of interest when home.
The younger adults work a lot, the youngest folks are self engrossed.

My mother has fallen several times while walking and required assistance, both when living in a private home for decades where she was well known and liked, and after moving to assisted living.

She received fastest attention and best care -by far- when she fell inside a Kroger superstore.

My observation is that a business with rational concern about security, profit and public liability is more likely to be watching what happens on their property during business hours and willing to act out of self interest. It’s also more likely to have other people in its aisles who could see you.

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I agree with those who mentioned physical therapy. They have programs like a “Matter of balance “ that will help you maintain your balance, get stronger. It is made for older individuals who having difficulty standing and moving around. Congratulations on maintaining your diabetes for 77 years. Good luck keep moving ! And they may come to your house. Nancy50

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That is precisely what I do on my 7 1/2-mile loop, which works like a charm. Part of my loop is along a state highway which is the final stage before I arrive home, and I am the most vulnerable as in low blood sugar, dehydration, etc. I have collapsed a couple of times over the past few years, and a good samaritan stops by and bails me out, but the most welcome help comes when I get caught in a storm, or it starts to rain. I hitchhike, and someone always, almost immediately, stops and offers me a ride home. There are still lots of good people in this world of ours.

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Unfortunately the “Seated Row” machine is a very different type of exercise. “Seated Row” is an upper body only weight machine, working the same isolated muscles as a weight bench Incline Row with free weights. It is a muscle building exercise, and not an aerobic exercise like running, walking, cycling and rowing. It is the combined arm and leg motion and spinning flywheel of a true rowing machine that makes this a high quality repetitive motion aerobic exercise.

That is not to minimize the importance of muscle building exercises, clearly those have a place too. Just be aware that it is not an equivalent exercise.

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This is scary to read and I know that people who bother to respond will say that I’m out of mind.

I’m a 76 year old, Type 1, who has been battling this disease for 52 years. I have suffered from Sciatica on and off for the past 30 years and have been living with a pacemaker for the past 8 years. Despite these difficulties, I run 3 miles every other day, often on trails where I am alone, and walk 3 miles on the days that I don’t run. My neighbors think that I’m crazy when they see me running in freezing weather, in shorts and a sweat shirt (and ski mittens). In the warmer months (April - November), I cycle 10+ miles 3 days a week. Much of the cycling on dirt trails in the woods. I have fallen several times, once into a stream in early November, where I needed to struggle about 10 minutes to extradite myself (and my bike) from the cold water. I needed 36 stiches on my face to repair the damage. It’s been 5 years since that fall and I continue to bike on same deserted trail.

I’m an avid skier who has suffered several injuries over the years. I dislocated a shoulder in 1991 and broke a rib in 2017. I’ve reached the age where all of my friends who ski have either died or just given up the sport. For the last ten years, my only companion on the slopes has been my son, who would ski with me when he could. The last time I skied was February, 2020, just prior to pandemic. My skiing has been deteriorating over the past few years and I’ve stayed away from a few slopes that I would have skied years earlier.

I booked a trip to Vail in early February, where I’ll end up skiing by myself (my son twisted his knee). I’m thinking that this will be the last time that I’ll go. I’m scared, but I refuse to give in to my fears. My wife, who gave up skiing in 1994 (after tearing up her knee in 1992), thinks that I’m crazy.

I’m getting satisfaction out of fighting father time, but I’m afraid that this fight will kill me.

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There is no fool like a happy old fool :rofl:

PS I am one too!!!