Finding Nutritional Guides

i want to hear what happened to you when you asked to see a nutrition guide anywhere from a theater to a snack trolley in NYC.

my experience was last night when i went to the movies, i went up to the concession stand and asked the girl at the register if they had a nutrition guide. she gave me that doe eyed look like she was confused by the question so i told her in a “wow this girl is the brightest bulb in the pack” voice. saying “like how many calories are in a box of junior mints.” i swear it’s like i was the first to ask that question.

I wouldn’t be surprised that someone behind a counter wouldn’t know about nutrition guides. Nutritional labeling is on packaged food so you can just check the box.

sad thing is in most restaurants especially the chains, they have the nutritional guides. when i worked at baskin robins i knew exactly where that puppy was and made sure i knew what the carb counts were for each tub of ice cream.

Chains do & it’s great to have this available. Not really needed for a candy counter where things are packaged with info on the label. They should have it for the popcorn:)

Problem is, almost nothing at the cinema is useful except for treating a low, and the quantities sold are so large that those of us not on fast-acting insulin are likely to be spiked for hours…

I always look stuff online before I go out if I can do so to have a good idea my options, and after a while I already know what it is i’m eating and how it effects me (or i did till i moved to the us, now I’m being forced to relearn).

I know in Toronto all resturants have to have open to the public a nutrishion guide and all employees have to know about it and be able to offer suggestions based on it if they can’t then the managers must.

I’ve found that most people give you that same look…
Although I have found that sometimes people/places are GREAT about it! But I’ve also found that most of the time if they know what I’m asking for or where to find it they just happen to know someone with D. LOL

If I know I’m going somewhere to eat I’ll check online in advance.
I also have a book put out by the Calorie King website that I swear by, actually I want to get another copy of the book so that I can keep one at home and one in the car.

I know its annoying to us with D but for many people nutritional info is something they NEVER have to think about.
As far as the info on your junior mints go - isn’t that info provided on the box?

Honestly, I’d try not be be so eh with the poor counter girl, lol, you very well may have been the first person to ask her that question!

Re hot dog carts and the like…I don’t live in NY but just recently I was somewhere and got a hot dog from a cart, I simply asked him if he could read the carbs to be off the back of the bag and he had no problem doing so. And there are some times that you just have do take your best guess :slight_smile: All part of living with the big D in a world where nutritional information very important to most people - Heck, most people when they are out to eat dont WANT to know how bad it is for them!!

On the bright side, I was at McD’s a bit ago and noticed that they are now putting nutritional info on their packaging!!

When I’m going to a restaurant I always go on line and do a search for their Nutritional Data, and usually can find it. I print it out and take it to the restaurant with me. The only place in my area that doesn’t publish their nutritional data is Texas Roadhouse. I’ve even emailed their corporate offices and they say they really have no plans to publish that information. I don’t know why, everybody else does.

The other day my sweet husband brought home this “Sugar Free Granola” that is made right at this local specialty “Gourmet Market”. The label has the ingredients, but no nutritional information. The ingredients are, oats, almonds, pecans, coconut, dried cherries, dried cranberries, golden raisins, sugar free syrup, splenda and cinnamon. Except for the dried fruit and the main ingredient Oats, it doesn’t sound too bad as far as carbs are concerned. Because I count carbs I won’t eat it until I can find out the nutritional info. So the next time I’m in the store I try to find out. I have to ask three people before someone decides they need to get the owner/manager. Even he can’t tell me the nutritional information. When I explain that I am diabetic and need to know the nutritional info so I can fit it into my plan, he tells me that he is diabetic and eats it. When I ask, he tells me that it doesn’t make his sugar levels go up if he eats a little bit.
As I am leaving the store, he is at the front and I tell him unfortunately I will not eat this product that my husband paid 9$ for because I have no way to calculate the carbs and I am not gambling with my blood sugar levels. He just shrugs his shoulders. I am really surprised that a fellow diabetic would be so nonchalant about nutritional labeling on products produced by his store…

This stuff looks like any other pre-packaged product it just has their own label on it and I don’t understand why nutritional information isn’t required.
Can anyone tell me how I can find out what the laws are regarding a packaged product that is produced on site?

I made Gerri’s Flax Seed and Nut Granola recipe replacing the coconut oil with sunflower oil (cholesterol concerns) and it is great.

I am thinking about modifying the recipe again to use sugar free syrup to make a sweeter snack that clumps together. I’ll need to find out how long to roast it with the syrup…suggestions anyone?

Hi Geriann,

You should roast the granola & then add the syrup after it’s cooked & cooled. Cooking it with syrup isn’t going to make it stick together. The heat will just make the syrup liquefy more. You’ll need to add other ingredients to make it clump–peanut butter or some almond flour.

Virgin coconut oil is one of the healthiest oils you can eat.

Mary Enig Ph.D. on the Effects of Coconut Oil on Serum Cholesterol Levels and HDLs
The following article is taken from Report 14, Keep Hope Alive.

Dr. Mary Enig MS (Nutritional Sciences), Ph.D. did original research that showed a positive link between vegetable oil and cancer and a negative correlation for animal fat. She originated comprehensive analysis of transfatty acid components of over 200 foods. transfatty acids are formed when vegetable oils are hydrogenated or heated to high temperatures. With high temperatures, transfatty acids are fats that are twisted, which alter their natural “cis” shape. She studied how the transfatty acids from foods affected the liver’s mixed function oxidase enzyme system that metabolizes drugs and environmental pollutants in the body. An important finding of this latter study was that laboratory animals fed experimental diets containing transfatty acids have altered activity of this enzyme system. These results were partly responsible for the review of the “Health Aspects of Dietary transfatty Acids” held by the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology, Life Sciences Research Office, at the request of the Food and Drug Administration. Mary Enig has had 17 articles published in scientific journals since 1976. In 1986, she was appointed by the Governor of Maryland to the “State Advisory Council on Nutrition.” She was contributing editor to “Clinical Nutrition” magazine and consulting editor for the “Journal of the American College of Nutrition.” She has given over 50 seminars and lectures on since 1979 on foods and nutrition topics.

In an article published in the Indian Coconut Journal, Sept., 1995, Dr. Enig stated that “Ancel Keys is largely responsible for starting the anti-saturated fat agenda in the United States.” She quoted Keys as saying that “All fats raise serum cholesterol; saturated fats raise and polyunsaturated fats lower serum cholesterol; Hydrogenated fats are the problem; Animal fats are the problem.” Enig stated: “As can be seen, his findings were inconsistent.”

Enig also stated: “The problems for coconut oil started four decades ago when researchers fed animals hydrogenated coconut oil that was purposely altered to make it completely devoid of any essential fatty acids… The animals fed the hydrogenated coconut oil (as the only fat source) naturally became essential fatty acid deficient; their serum cholesterol increased. Diets that cause an essential fatty acid deficiency always produce an increase in serum cholesterol levels as well as in increase in the atherosclerotic indices. The same effect has also been seen when other …highly hydrogenated oils such as cottonseed, soybean or corn oils have been fed; so it is clearly a function of the hydrogenated products, either because the oil is essential fatty acid (EFA) deficient or because of transfatty acids.”

What about studies where animals were fed unprocessed coconut oil? Enig wrote: “Hostmark et al (1980) compared the effects of diets containing 10% coconut oil and 10% sunflower oil on lipoprotein distribution in male Wistar rats. Coconut oil feeding produced significantly lower levels (p=0.05) of pre-beta lipoproteins (VLDL) and significantly higher (p=<0.01) alpha-lipoproteins (HDL) relative to sunflower feeding.” (Editor’s note: HDLs are considered the good cholesterol as they prevent deposits of LDL cholesterol on artery walls.) She also cited a study by Awad (1981) on Wistar rats fed a diet of either 14% (natural) coconut oil or 14% safflower oil. She stated:“Total tissue cholesterol accumulation for animals on the safflower diet was six times greater than for animals fed the [unhydrogenated] coconut oil. A conclusion that can be drawn from some of the animal research is that feeding hydrogenated coconut oil devoid of essential fatty acids (EFA) …potentate the formation of atherosclerosis markers. It is of note that animals fed regular coconut oil have less cholesterol deposited in their livers and other parts of their bodies.” Enig also referred to epidemiological studies done by Kaunitz and Dayrit (1992) on coconut eating societies who found that “available population studies show that dietary coconut oil does not lead to high serum cholesterol nor to high coronary heart disease…” It is noteworthy that hydrogenated coconut oil was not consumed by these coconut eating societies; they only consumed natural coconut oil.

Kaunitz and Dayrit noted in 1989 that Mendis et al reported when Sri Lankan males were changed from their normal diet of natural coconut oil to corn oil, their LDL cholesterol declined 23.8% which is good news, but their HDL cholesterol declined 41.4% which is bad news. This created a more unfavorable LDL/HDL ratio meaning that on the corn oil diet there would be more cholesterol depositing on the artery walls than on the coconut oil diet. In plain English, a diet using liquid corn oil will lead to cholesterol deposits faster than a diet using natural coconut oil. Natural coconut oil, by increasing the good HDL cholesterol, may help prevent atherosclerosis and heart disease. Enig cited several other studies in her article that showed that natural coconut oil (not hydrogenated coconut oil) had health benefits markers indicating that coconut oil was more beneficial in preventing heart disease than most vegetable oils. Enig also cited the research of Tholstrup et al (1994) on natural (NOT hydrogenated) palm kernel oil which is high in lauric acid and also contains myristic acid. Tholstrup found that with palm kernel oil, “HDL cholesterol levels increased significantly from baseline values.”

Enig reported in her article that the effects of coconut oil on persons with low cholesterol levels was the opposite of persons with high cholesterol levels. Of persons with low total cholesterol counts, she wrote that “there may be a rising of serum cholesterol, LDL cholesterol and especially HDL cholesterol.” In persons with high cholesterol levels, “there is lowering of total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol.” The studies she cited showed that in both groups the LDL/HDL ratio moved in a favorable direction. In persons with AIDS or immune-compromised from other causes, the conclusions of this research are profound. It means everything the public has been told about vegetable oils on television for the past 15 years has been half truths and leading the public to the wrong conclusions. The public has been led to believe that tropicals will clog your arteries and cause heart disease. In fact, the opposite is true; natural tropical oils will help prevent hardening of the arteries while most liquid vegetable oils will increase hardening of the arteries! In a phone call to Mary Enig in April, 1997, she told me that the worst oil to use for any purpose is Canola oil. When used in cooking, it produces the very high levels of transfatty acids.

Mary Enig Ph.D. on Natural Coconut Oil for AIDS and Other Viral Infections
On July 19, 1995, Enig was quoted in an article published in The HINDU, India’s National Newspaper as stating that coconut oil is converted by the body into “Monolaurin” a fatty acid with anti-viral properties that might be useful in the treatment of AIDS. The staff reporter for The HINDU wrote about Enig’s presentation at a press conference in Kochi and wrote the following:

“There was an instance in the US in which an infant tested HIV positive had become HIV negative. That it was fed with an infant formula with a high coconut oil content gains significance in this context and at present an effort was on to find out how the ‘viral load’ of an HIV infected baby came down when fed a diet that helped in the generation of Monolaurin in the body.”

The reporter commented on Enig’s observations that "Monolaurin helped in inactivating other viruses such as measles, herpes, vesicular stomatitis and Cytomegalovirus (CMV) and that research undertaken so far on coconut oil also indicated that it offered a certain measure of protection against cancer-inducing substances. "

In another article published in the Indian Coconut Journal, Sept., 1995, Dr. Enig stated:

“Recognition of the antimicrobial activity of the monoglyceride of lauric acid (Monolaurin) has been reported since 1966. The seminal work can be credited to Jon Kabara. This early research was directed at the virucidal effects because of possible problems related to food preservation. Some of the early work by Hierholzer and Kabara (1982) that showed virucidal effects of Monolaurin on enveloped RNA and DNA viruses was done in conjunction with the Center for Disease Control of the US Public Health Service with selected prototypes or recognized strains of enveloped viruses. The envelope of these viruses is a lipid membrane.”

Enig stated in her article that Monolaurin, of which the precursor is lauric acid, disrupted the lipid membranes of envelope viruses and also inactivated bacteria, yeast and fungi. She wrote: “Of the saturated fatty acids, lauric acid has greater anti-viral activity than either caprylic acid (C-10) or myristic acid (C-14). The action attributed to Monolaurin is that of solubilizing the lipids …in the envelope of the virus causing the disintegration of the virus envelope.” In India, coconut oil is fed to calves to treat Cryptosporidium as reported by Lark Lands Ph.D. in her upcoming book “Positively Well” (1).

While HHV-6A was not mentioned by Enig, HHV-6A is an enveloped virus and would be expected to disintegrate in the presence of lauric acid and/or Monolaurin. Some of the pathogens reported by Enig to be inactivated by Monolaurin include HIV, measles, vercular stomatitis virus (VSV), herpes simplex virus (HSV-1), visna, cytomegalovirus (CMV), Influenza virus, Pneumonovirus, Syncytial virus and Rubeola. Some bacteria inactivated by Monolaurin include listeria, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus agalactiae, Groups A, B, F and G streptococci, Gram-positive organisms; and gram-negative organisms, if treated with chelator.

Enig reported that only one infant formula “Impact” contains lauric acid while the more widely promoted formulas like “Ensure” do not contain lauric acid and often contain some hydrogenated fats (transfatty acids). A modified ester of lauric acid, Monolaurin (available in capsules), is sold in health food stores and is manufactured by Ecological Formulas, Concord, CA.

Enig on a Therapeutic Dose
Based on her calculations on the amount of lauric acid found in human Mother’s milk, Dr. Enig suggests a rich lauric acid diet would contain about 24 grams of lauric acid daily for the average adult. This amount could be found in about 3.5 tablespoons of coconut oil or 10 ounces of “Pure Coconut Milk.” Coconut Milk is made in Sri Lanka and imported into the United States. It can be found in health food stores and in local grocery stores in the International Foods section or in specialty grocery stores that sell products imported from Thailand, the Philippines or East India. About 7 ounces of raw coconut daily would contain 24 grams of lauric acid. 24 grams of lauric acid is the therapeutic daily dose for adults suggested by Mary Enig based on her research of the lauric acid content of mother’s milk. (1)

  1. Positively Well, by Lark Lands Ph.D. Her new book discusses lauric acid and suggests many treatment options for persons with AIDS or CFIDS.

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Thanks Gerri that is a lot of information.
When I was shopping for the ingredients needed for your granola recipe, the store didn’t have virgin coconut oil. They did have a product that was simply coconut oil. It was very thick and my decision not to use it was based on the differences stated on the nutritional labels. The coconut oil was mostly saturated fat and the sunflower oil was mostly monounsaturated fat. The sunflower oil I bought is an organic oil under the Spectrum Naturals label. The oil is refined for high heat and it has no trans fat or hydrogenated fat. If the store had virgin coconut oil, maybe my decision would have been different.

On to your granola…I love it…thank you so much for posting the recipe. A couple of spoonfuls of it added to my special k protein plus cereal is great. I used a finely shredded unsweetened coconut and I think the next time I make it, I will use some that isn’t shredded quite so fine. The granola that my husband brought home clumps together. I was guessing that the syrup makes it stick together. Do you have any ideas what could be making it clump together if not the syrup. The list of ingredients is in my previous post.

If I was to add peanut butter or almond flour, would I add that prior to roasting? How do you store the granola after you make it. I put it in a ziploc bag…do I need to refrigerate it?

Thanks again for all the great information, Gerriann
p.s. love your name :wink:

So glad you like it!

Yea, my guess would be also that they use a ton of syrup to make it clumpy, so guess you’ll need to add a lot also.

Add the peanut butter & almond flour (or golden flaxseed meal) after roasting. The peanut butter will liquefy from heat.

I let it cool & store in a glass jar. Wouldn’t hurt to refrigerate it. I go through it so fast that I just keep in the cupboard:)

Love your name, too:)

Hi Gerri!

Say, can you otherwise cook with Virgin Coconut Oil? Do you use it in other ways?

Hey Cheri,

I use coconut oil for cooking when high heat is used–sauteeing, baking, frying. It has virtually no coconut flavor. Saturated fats hold up to heat without causing health problems. Once vegetable oils are heated–big problems. More info about this on a discussion I started on the dangers of canola oil. I use olive oil or nut oils for salads, marinades, anything where the oil isn’t heated.

Good to know - so far I’ve used butter and regular Olive Oil (not EVOO) as I understood that was ok - but it has a definite taste.

Butter works fine, too. The darker the olive oil (EVOO), the better.

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