Yeah, that’s not how I remember quoting 
Fixed it.
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Adding this DiabetesMine news coverage to the discussion, given the product updates and other related items happening in the OmniPod universe –
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Yay, looks like the Horizon hybrid closed-loop system may be available earlier than the original projected date of 2020! 
If the hackuverse can crack the security on the BLE pods due out next year, we’ll have Loop or APS (or both) rather quickly on the Pod. That’s what I’m hoping for.
Not to throw cold water on the whole idea and everything, but I have very little hope. I expect Insulet to use financial-institution-grade encryption (1024 bit RSA private key), which is unbreakable.
They have to. The stakes, and risks, are just too great from malicious hacking parties.
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The idea that a malicious party would hack an insulin pump in order to harm the victim by remotely issuing a bolus is just ludicrous. I can’t believe people are still talking about this as something anyone should be concerned about. Out of risk factor associated with diabetes that would easily be at the very bottom. There is a more legitimate concern that an adverse event could happen by accident, but that can and should be dealt with easily, and would certainly not require financial-institution-grade encryption.
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Very true @Dragan1. Have you ever “butt-dialed” on your phone? My big concern is how easily you can butt-dial a bolus. I don’t want to type in a password every time I need to get access either. I want my cake and eat it too!
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Thank you @Michael_Hoskins for the link. I didn’t know that it is even on the table that Dash might be released w/o a PDM.
[quote=“Dragan1, post:65, topic:57413, full:true”]
The idea that a malicious party would hack an insulin pump in order to harm the victim by remotely issuing a bolus is just ludicrous.
[/quote]You’ve got to be kidding.
You really don’t believe there are bad people out there that would get a kick out of watching someone suffer from such a situation?
I’ve met people like that in my life. They’re scum, but they exist.
Anyway, from Insulet’s perspective it only takes one incident out of 7 billion potential bad actors to sink the company, so they won’t take the chance over something so simple and cost-free to engineer.
Finally, don’t limit your imagination to only hooligans… it would be a very slick way to murder someone. Murder-by-insulin is hardly an unknown path, and has been used before.
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One thing that seemed to be buried in there between the lines was that ordinary smartphones would be supported in addition to the new, locked-down Android PDM. While it wasn’t stated clearly, the discussion in the article seemed to imply an “either/or” scenario when Dash is released.
We can hope… While it would be nice to be able to control the pod from an open-source community app, the Big Enchilada is simply ditching an extra device… The ability to view CGM data on my phone, and control my pod from my phone – which I have with me all the time anyway – is a game-changer.
If the hacking community can gain control all the better – we’ll have boluses from smartwatches in no time then!
Yes indeed, most notably in movies 
More seriously, I’ve just googled this and it looks like there is indeed a documented 1957 case of murder by insulin. For a perspective on risks, 1 out of 20 people with T1D die due to self-inflicted hypoglycemia, and no encryption is ever going to address that. And that’s just one of many serious risk factors associated with living with T1D or D in general. I stand by my opinion in the previous post, and we can agree to disagree.
Oh, of course, and no hard feelings at all!
Keep in mind that not everything gets documented in news archives. In fact, most events don’t.
That very concern has been addressed by the people who constructed Loop. When delivering a bolus via the iPhone using Loop, the user must place their finger onto the home button and that fingerprint must match the one stored in the phone for the bolus to deliver.
I’ve been embarrassed more than once with an inadvertent “butt dialing” and I totally get your concern. Software can be written to shut down that possibility. I can’t envision any unintended scenario where a series of random button pushes is capped off with pressing a specific finger onto the home button.
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All the complaints by users I have seen over the years about the PDM “confirm” button, and now we might have to enter a 4-6 digit passcode to get into the PDM. Yeah, that password thing might seriously suck much worse.
I was never bothered by the “confirm” button. I bolus while driving my car all the time. I barely need to look at the PDM to do it, since it has tactile buttons you can feel. Touchscreen makes that tougher. 
Just so long as you don’t register your butt-print on the phone 
Can we get an update on this? What’s the latest with the omnipod horizon system? Has anyone here used it in trials?
I’d just stumbled onto that article. Is there any specs to be found thst compares the omnipod system to other systems like tandem’s? Even that article is 7 months old… you’d think they’d want to keep stirring up enthusiasm
Both OmniPod and Tidepool have not released any specific details about their algorithms that I’ve seen. Neither have been submitted to the FDA, they’re not prohibited from discussing or promoting them. OmniPod is so far behind Tandem and Medtronic in the hybrid loop portion of pump design that I doubt their horizon will come at any point in 2020. Tidepool has a better chance of launching around their estimated date. Tandem’s t:Sport is going to take a large portion of OmniPod’s patients away from them when it launches in late 2020. This might motivate them to get Horizon out in a timely manner. They don’t even have a low glucose suspend feature which other pumps have had for years now.
Hmm… not familiar with the t_sport what is new and improved about it? I have nevertheless pumped but if someone would put a functional closed loop tubeless pump on the market thst worked well I might give it a try
The Tandem t:Sport is a tubeless pump that will be controlled entirely with a smartphone app, will be running control-iq out of the box.
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