“Also I would go on a strict autoimmune protocol elimination diet. No dairy, gluten, fruit, sugar, sweeteners, etc. unprocessed meat and vegetables only and water/coffee/tea only.”
Thank you for your input, but this diet sounds like very little fun for a 13 year old boy. Also I would question how a lack of dairy would affect a rapidly growing teenage boy.
Absolutely understand your concerns, and I urge you to do your own research on dairy and autoimmune diseases, specifically diabetes. Much of this has been attributed to the cow milk proteins and a link to it triggering diabetes autoantibodies, the same has been studied in breast feeding vs formula which is cow milk protein.
Additionally, are you concerned about the lack of vitamin D and calcium that would theoretically arise as a result of dietary diary consumption? I can assure you there are many other ways to get these vitamins and in fact milk and bone health and growth is largely due to propaganda and lobbying. Again I urge you to do your own research on is milk really necessary for growing children. Here’s a good video:
Lastly, certainly any diet especially a strict one would be hard on anyone let alone a child. But there are plenty of good healthy foods he can still eat. Think big salads with fish, steak, chicken, etc. might not be an ideal meal for a teenage boy but even the chance of it staving off diabetes would be a huge positive. You have to decide would you rather eat whatever you want but be dosing insulin all day, or be on a strict diet but not have to worry about meds. Not to sound alarmist but now is a crucial time to be monitoring your child and removing anything aberrant from his environment. If you don’t want to go as strict as no vaccines and diary, try small with things like no candy, soda, gum, sweeteners, etc.
Again, I’m just trying to help and offer some advice, hope it helps
No idea why my post was flagged. I guess many users unfortunately have no respect for differing opinions. If my posts are flagged again I’ll simply cease from visiting this forum. I always encourage healthy debate and discussion. It seems there is only one view on here and if it’s not in line with the mainstream propaganda then it is forced out.
That is absolute llinformed, please use information from a credible source.
I have countless credible sources. Both anecdotal accounts and from medical research and journals. Your assumption that I would pull random theories out of thin air is deeply offensive so I will be flagging your post as such
Esp polio and a bunch of others that have been wiped and are now coming back because of poor judgement
I should have never waited in that mile long polio line in the late fifties or whenever, who knows what destruction it did to my body.
There are certainly diseases that a potentially dangerous vaccination is better than the disease itself, polio is the the obvious one that comes to mind. But for most others such as the flu vaccine, naturopathic treatments and prevention are far safer imo
It is a grave error to assume diseases we vaccinate against are not dangerous (my friend’s mom in her 60s who seemed perfectly healthy before infection died from the flu; my friend around 30 died from meningitis; I have many friends who have had to be treated for HPV some of whom have fertility problems as a result since few people my age got the vaccine; currently, infants who cannot yet be vaccinated are now dying or having permanent damage from childhood diseases like measles because of the many unvaccinated children serving as disease-vectors).
That said, vaccines are also likely beneficial to the immune system (just as the viruses it protects against may cause longterm suppression of it, which is well documented with measles, that it can impair immune functioning for years following recovery). Numerous studies demonstrate, for example, that the measles vaccine not only reduces incidence of measles, but it reduces all-cause mortality in children and incidence of a wide range of diseases, suggesting improvement of immune functioning on a broader level (this article provides an excellent review of the scientific literature: Measles, immune suppression and vaccination: direct and indirect nonspecific vaccine benefits - ScienceDirect). In fact, a recent study suggests some vaccines may indeed help reduce risk of T1: Rotavirus Vaccine May Reduce Risk of Type 1 Diabetes in Kids | Science-Based Medicine
It makes sense in that many of us with T1 report being really sick prior to our diagnosis. I had a bad flu right around when I likely started having problems (diagnosed about 4-5 months later probably heading toward DKA). That’s a really common story, and many theorize viruses are part of the trigger for T1 antibodies. So stands to reason that vaccines could well help prevent that from happening. Who knows, maybe if I’d had a flu vaccine that year, I wouldn’t have diabetes right now. That study seems to suggest it’s entirely possible, and I would say far more probable than vaccines being an issue. If I had a non-diabetic child with familial risk and wanted to protect them, I’d get them all the vaccines, including flu shots, for that reason.
While varying opinions are welcome in our forum, sharing should be done respectfully which means understanding that opinions are not fact and imposing your opinions on others goes a step beyond sharing. Please do not state your views as “right,” or that others’ views are “wrong.”
Further, this forum encourages the sharing of experiences and strongly discourages attempts to disseminate medical advice. To this end it bears repeating - members are welcome to share their opinions, but it is expected that opinions are shared respectfully and with an open mind that others may not agree, and that’s okay.
I get the intention of this, but what about a case of clear misinformation? Many subjects have unclear “right” and “wrongs,” or cases where more than one (possibly mutually exclusive) opinion could be reasonable. But there are also opinions that are in no way reasonable to hold, even if strongly held. I worry a little bit that we set ourselves up to be a place where anyone can spread propaganda, misinformation, or even deliberate falsehoods.
Vaccines and anti-vaxx opinions have been in the news a lot the last couple of years. All of the evidence shows that strongly held opinions against vaccinations are strongly held, can’t be changed with argument, but are absolutely “wrong.” Is it OK to not call out such misinformation when there may be some people that are not familiar with the subject at all? Here is some (positive) information:
So yes, everyone has opinions, but some of those opinions are not supported by evidence, science, and reality. Not all opinions are created equal. It is important to share good information on this forum, since it is a primary place people come to for the experience and knowledge of other diabetics.
Look I don’t have to worry about what vaccines might or might not do. But I did have a friend whose child died from a vaccination years ago. There is good and there is bad. I would hate to have to decide to give my child a vaccination and then something tragic happened recognizing that something tragic can also happen without a vaccination. And that is why I feel it should be a decision made by an individual person. If you know someone that died this hits close to home about being able to choose.
But to force your view of what is the only right onto others is what I consider wrong. In my opinion no one should be forced into only one decision.
A case in point. The flu shot. I won’t get one, I haven’t gotten one since I was a young kid a couple of times. I haven’t had the flu since I was a kid, but I was constantly exposed to it at work. Constant! My mom got a flu shot every year, yet she got the flu and it attacked her heart and she ended up with permanent damage from it. My sister religiously gets a flu shot every year and almost every year still gets the flu and a serious respiratory infection. Have/had I ever said a word they shouldn’t get a flu shot, no! It’s up to them. Will I get one no, it’s up to me.
I have two comments.
First is when somebody resorts to personal attacks and insults instead of sticking to the issue. There is no upside to this and makes the person doing the attacking IMHO look to be unable to win the debate on non-personal grounds.
Second is who gets to decide what is good information. Ultimately there is a very serious downside to that.
Should somebody be allowed to post something which you disagree with and which you personally believe to be wrong? Absolutely.
To which I disagree and feel it is important to share information on this forum.
I don’t think Peep provided anything close to good information, and I think as a member of this community that it’s a responsible act to call that out. Frankly, I think David was completely correct to state that the post was wrong. When I originally read the post I honestly thought it was someone who had created a troll account. Perhaps if the post contained some actual evidence or anything at all to support such a strong statement it would have been different, but to simply state;
" With a family history of autoimmune diseases I would certainly recommend forgoing all vaccinations. They are certainly dangerous to the body as a foreign and unknown substance." Is wrong, it’s not a matter of opinion but it’s just wrong.
There are obviously people who react badly to vaccinations, but they are designed to protect populations, and they do that.
If they had of called out a specific vaccine and stated that they didn’t think that was necessary that would be different, but the claim is that with a history of auto-immune disease one should forgo all vaccinations, and that supposedly all vaccinations are certainly dangerous, again that’s wrong.
It’s safe to say that vaccines such as polio are likely worth the risk, but of course I’m not going to write an essay about what vaccines I believe are safe/unsafe and worth/not worth the risk. However, my belief is that vaccines, as well as many other things in modern society, are aberrant and unnatural to the body. Water, sunlight, oxygen, etc, are what the body needs and thrives on, not foreign lab-altered disease strains.
As with something like a flu vaccinations, I think it’s a pretty good idea, especially with a family history of autoimmune diseases to forgo the vaccine and take a risk with the flu. Which with modern treatments, fluids, antibacterial cleaning, etc is quite treatable and manageable and the prognosis is typically good. Now of course opinions will differ and that’s all well and good, that’s what this is for it’s a forum. You have to decided for yourself, the prognosis of the flu/mumps/rubella/measles/etc. or the prognosis of type 1 diabetes. I know which one I would choose
I agree, this is a great point
When these stories of a child dying from a vaccination are investigated, they usually turn out to be wrong.
Like the flu shot, most immunizations are inert, there is nothing live to infect. They can’t harm you. only slight side effects for a short duration
Some compromised people can’t take the live, but attenuated vaccines https://immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au/vaccination-for-special-risk-groups/vaccination-for-people-who-are-immunocompromised
There are many threads in the forum on a wide range of topics.
If people are able to avoid personal attacks then others are able to discuss and refute as well.
Free speech goes both ways.
If somebody is unable to avoid a personal attack then IMHO members of the forum should flag the offending post for the forum Mods to review. Hopefully that person is able to adjust future posting so as to avoid personal attacks and debate the issue in a civil fashion.
It is my understanding that Mods do review flags and do not act blindly. So if somebody were to abuse the flagging system to simply flag posts that you have a differing opinion on is something that one would expect also to be addressed by the Mods.
It is also my understanding that religion and politics are generally considered not relevant to the purpose of the TUD forum. The extent to which religion and politics are allowed seems to be quite relevant to context and in how civilly people are able to discuss the topic.
No one was asking for an essay, but some evidence based article’s or anything along those lines to actually support your belief would go a long way.
I appreciate you claim such things exist, but you failed to share these. So what are we to believe based off that?
I think it’s everyone’s right to form their own belief about vaccinations, but in the end it’s also a decision that will impact not just yourself or your child. I appreciate this is potentially the point you are trying to make, given you claim that vaccinations may cause T1D, but there are people who medically are unable to be vaccinated and there is sufficient evidence behind these claims:
If you want to be a responsible member of society, with all the benefits that come from that, then I think there is a moral responsibility to vaccinate at least against the major diseases.
I’m not trying to dissuade people from asking these questions, I think the original post was responsible and the question is valid, but I still don’t think people can just post beliefs or opinions without those being challenged.
Just to stick with flu for the moment, have you ever looked up the statistics of how many people die from the flu each year, who weren’t vaccinated or vaccinated in time, or not with the correct strain of vaccine? It’s heartbreaking.
I get a flu shot every year. I’ve never once thought I would die or grow a third arm from a vaccination. These conspiracy theories should be left to social media, where their target audience and money is.
ha ha ha
(Where are we …)