Since the pancreas was biopsied the disappearance of fat in that organ is an objective fact. If I recall there was also a reduction in liver fat. Fat in the liver is usually present in T2. My personal take on this is that the fat in the pancreas could cause decreased insulin production and the fat in the liver is implicated in insulin resistance.
Other explanations are certainly possible the exact mechanism awaits further scientific investigation
Sure, but not insulin resistance, which is what the earlier post claimed.
I think a Vegan diet would be very difficult to balance when you have to consider diabetes too.
Some people who choose a way of eating that excludes meat come to find the very practice of eating meat nauseating. Whether we agree with the thinking that produces that distaste, it never helps to taunt people with images intended to elicit that gut reaction.
In fact the pancreas produces 3 hormones involved in bloodsugar regulation. Insulin, Glucagon and Somatostatin. Insulin and glucogon have opposite actions and Somatostatin helps balance the other pancreatic hormones when levels get high.
The human endocrine system is incredibly complex and involves hormones produced all over the body. Parts of it’s function are better understood than others.
The mechanism that causes insulin resistance is incompletely understood.
I don’t know if a fatty pancreas is involved in insulin resistance or not, but it seems to me it certainly could be given its central position in bloodsugar regulation.
My point is that we shouldn’t dismiss any evidence at this point because the answer awaits further research and the discovery of additional evidence.
I’m not really interested in going on this diet and it could well be harmful. Nevertheless I find the results of this experiment fascinating.
Agree, on both counts.
True as far as it goes, but one of the things that seems pretty definite is that the pancreas makes insulin and doesn’t use it. Resistance applies to use, so I still don’t see any logical path to conclude that a compromised pancreas can make what insulin is present, less effective. And even if it turned out that the pancreas did use some, the amount would be a drop in the bucket (grain of sand, choose your favorite metaphor) compared to the liver, muscles, and brain, which are the principal users. So it’s still difficult to imagine how it would make a practical difference.
Thank you Kmichel. Please get the this severely confused. Often when I ask health gurus to prove the increased pancreatic function they ultimately can not and change the subject matter. What is happening is that through diet diabetes can be controlled not cured. You only hear new age gurus and such making the claim to cure diabetes. Then they have the nerve to get offended when they are called out on the carpet to prove their claims.
What I find even more upsetting is the American Diabetes Assn has not called these people on the carpet for this. In some respects I think they are complicit with this confusion and snake oil being tossed.
I just don’t something being called a CURE when there is not proof of a CURE but proof of a maintenance program.
ADA motto, or should be: “Keeping blood sugars high to support our corporate sponsors.” If you doubt, just look at their diet recommendations.
David and Christalyn…Such great points you make, as usual. You pretty much covered some of my biggest pet peeves…
If it comes up in casual conversation that I am controlling with diet and exercise, it is not uncommon for someone to pipe up with an “oh you cured yourself” or “see—Big Pharma wants everyone to think they need the drugs” even if they don’t!"…
If there is time, I put on my Teacher has Patience hat and explain about there being no cure, only control…Oh—and wading through T1 and T2 differences impacting one’s need for insulin. I am still occasionally stunned when it doesn’t sink in—even at the most basic level of “what happens if I go back to eating more normally”—which overlaps with the crowd that says—“here just have 1 piece of cake then, it won’t matter.”…
Veganism, as far as I can ascertain, might very well offer a pathway to tight and sustainable control…but that’s as far as I would say!..Blessings of the New Year to you both!..Judith in Portland…
And finally, as I write this, I am stunned at how much of it I didn’t understand myself when I was first diagnosed!..
This actually speaks directly to a mindset that goes far beyond the scope of diabetes and is the conceptual underpinning of dieting itself, at least as dieting is viewed in this culture. Think about it. The basic, if unspoken, formula in most people’s minds is that you can follow the diet until your goal is achieved. Then you can go back to what you were doing before and things will somehow, magically, be different. Viewed against that backdrop, it’s not even faintly surprising that weight lost on almost any diet is soon gained back.
Duh. [slaps forehead again and again]
as long as it’s low carb veganism, sure, why not. There are plenty of plant proteins and fats out there, You need to eat this way for the rest of your life and shed a significant amount of weight, 10-15% of body weight
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No. As far as we know nothing cures it. Jason turner who is type 1 has been basically cured with two islet cell implantations. Can a diet help treat it. Yes and the diet is different according to the person. That said some people with type 2 do seem to have held it in check by some dietary means and or surgery like the stomach wrap surgery- I’ve forgotten the name of that now. Someone who is type 1 on YouTube had changed her carb ratio to 1-60 by eating a vegan, mostly fruit diet.
[/quote] he has to take antirejection meds for the rest of his life though
Brian. The results of the study referred to in the Moseley book has just been published supporting the benefits of significant weight loss in T2 remission. See University of Glasgow - University news - Archive of news - 2017 - December - Type 2 diabetes can be put into remission, suggests ground-breaking
I have joined other Diabetes forums and there are some who claim that they have reversed their Type 2 Diabetes… and I believe that you really can. That’s why, we are on the lookout for medical professionals and those affected by diabetes to share their stories with us, to help give hope and new ideas to those seeking aid for this serious condition.
If anyone here is a vegan who has reversed/controlled his/her diabetes and wants to share his/her story to the world, then please get in touch with us.
Spam post.
You can control your diabetes with diet. You cannot cure or “reverse it”.
I stand corrected @kmichel, there are claims from people who have reversed it and that’s really what I wanted to know. Some practice veganism, and it has helped stabilize their condition.
More accurately stated “people who claim to have reversed it.”
Absolutely. I eat fairly low carb, mostly vegetarian, and my T1D has stabilized. T2Ds can often not need insulin by eating vegan combined with exercise.
But they are still diabetic and their numbers will get bad again if they quit eating that way or quit exercising.
That’s great to hear but I wish you didn’t flag my initial post as spam because it’s not. I believe that through this documentary that we are working on, we can reach out to more people with diabetes. But anyway, the post has already been hidden so let’s just leave it at that.
