Friends who offer "cures" for Diabetes

If someone can beat cancer, then why not DIABETES....

Stress of any type on the body has a lot to do with the onset of diabetes.....when I was in the ER, the doctor there asked me 2 questions: did any one in my immediate family have diabetes, and had I been ill recently. He had worked in the ER for a while, and he said almost every newly diagnosed diabetic answered yes to one of those questions, usually the second one. If I had had a nasty cold just before that, I might still be a normal person. I knew there was a reason I don't like getting sick.
In a way I pity the poor T2s. When the researchers get a work around the autoimmune/destroyed pancreas, T1s will have it much easier, but there are way more variables and causes in T2, and there won't be an equivalent 'fix' for a long time for them.

I think frequently the best doctors are the ones who are themselves diabetic, no matter what the type. The have both experience and education, and are more likely to hear what you say. I love hearing Dr. Edelman speak.

Earth to Dean--if she didn't have a backbone, she wouldn't have bothered to take the time to report you. Only the people who care take their time to do something that is out of their way. Your constant rehashing of the same old unsupported line hasn't fooled the majority of people who have entered into this discussion, as the many comments attest.

Kahi has a good all grain puffed cereal that is a whopping 15 g of carbs in a cup, which is a bigger serving size than most cereals. My doctor told me it was ok to eat more carbs in the morning, as I have been fasting all night, you need a lot of energy to rev up for the day, and since it is the most carb resistant time for most people, taking more insulin is not such a bad thing. Unless I screw up, I am almost always down to 100 or lower before lunch, even with a big breakfast.

"Diabetic" is an adjective - not a noun

Thanks Judith - complex was the word I was looking for when I said that I thoguth (for me) that type 2 would be harder.

Stop being so nice about your replies to their wonder vitamins. I personally think the word "cure" should never be used with any form of diabetes, until there IS a cure. However, I wholeheartedly believe true type 2 diabetes can be reversed (meaning complications halted and symptoms of diabetes are no longer present). The problem is, doctors will say you're type 2, yet you're really type 1. I think this is what happened to Manny actually?

This is a reply to Linda (there wasn't a reply button under yo0ur message) I don't have LADA. The symptoms I presented when I first went to the doctor, were rapid onset -over 3-4 weeks I went from 115 lbs to 98 lbs. It was another week or so after being treated for type 2 that I ended up in DKA. And fortunately, an attending Endo who knew right away what I had.

Thanks, Cindy. There's so much traffic on this thread that I missed this.

I find the holier than thou pronouncements of the conspiracy believers and alternate therapy supporters quite funny (not to mention sad). As my doctor put it when we once discussed these types of postings, "Yes, that's why I put myself through medical school. So I could kill you."

I don't know why theo thinks my doctor makes more money by convincing me I'm a T2 rather than a T1. She sees me just as often either way, and she's paid by the visit, by the Government (I live in one of the lands of socialized medicine). She doesn't make any money off of any tests or medications she prescribes.

theo has just joined Dean Phillips on the spam/noise list. Not worth my time to read thier posts, let alone bother responding to them.

Yep,If you are going to eat grains, first thing in the morning is much better than at dinner.
But too much insulin causes the body into fat storage. Low insulin levels results in fat burning. So I have taken the stance that less insulin is better.

I was just saying how frustrated I am when people tell me what I should do to fix my diabetes. I know they are trying to help, and being concerned. But it comes across all wrong. I feel like these people are saying that I dont know anything and they have the answers. Trust me I have been seeking the answers for years!
Diabetes is so different, depending on who has it. There is not a one size fits all solution. I have lived with Diabetes for more than 15 years. I have tried low glycemic raw. I have read many things. I have been without health care. I think I have a lot of experience, but I still dont know everything. Doctors don't know everything. Over the years my doctors have not been 100% which type of diabetes I have, I have been told type 2 and type 1.
I am all for natural cures, and alternative medicine if it works. I think diabetics do have a responsibility to take control of their own health, and advocate for themselves, along with a team to assist them. Exercise is important, diet is a big part of staying healthy too. I think people can make the best of their situation, and decrease the amount of medication their body needs. It's important to realize that we are not powerless to diabetes. Pills and medication are not a band aid. You cannot sit back and eat junk food, and pop pills, expecting them to counteract your bad habits.
The most recent suggestion I got, was "Kale-it can replace insulin"...trust me, I eat Kale, it has not replaced my insulin, but I DO need less if I eat kale versus, bread. Educate yourself and each other, an important part of diabetes is a good support system!

when someone catches me eating something, they also happen to be eating, and ask me "are you supposed to be eating that?" ahhhh, I want to say, "are YOU supposed to be eating it?" just because your not diabetic, doesn't give you license to be the food police!

I would do some reading on Diabulimia, Theo. Low insulin levels cause weight loss because without insulin, your body cannot absorb the nutrients in the food you eat, and your body begins to starve itself. This process of starvation creates ketones, and then ketosis, and then ketoacidosis. I would seriously advise against encouraging this as a form of weight loss.

Yeah, I'm totally with you. T1 sucks, but it is pretty straightforward. Everything is nice and concrete. With T2, their metabolism isn't working right and it has likely caused damage to their beta cells and body. Then with diet and exercise some are helped, but for many it is a slow path towards insulin dependency after spending a few years using some crappy type 2 meds and having everyone under the sun blame you for your diabetes.

When I finally got the T1 diagnosis (after an initial T2 diagnosis) it was great because I knew that I would never have another doctor pushing T2 meds on me, not listening to me, or telling me that I'm not eating right.

As for blaming T2s for the diabetes. This is a support group, and IMHO we should try and be supportive instead of blaming people for their problems.

Thanks. I also think that the word "cure" for type 2 is a misnomer. Yes at first or early on, people with type 2 can get off meds - that isn't a cure. It means that things are managed without meds. But type 2 is still lurking - one slip up combined with the passage of time, and the meds are needed again. Maybe remission is a better word.

As for me, I like the clear cut science of type 1. But then, I never did do well finding things between the lines in English Lit classes. I did once write a paper that stated that maybe, just maybe the author had a good story to tell, that there wasn't anything between the lines until some college prof put it there!

And the kidneys get damaged by working so hard to rid the body of the ketones and the excess nutrients (hence the urination symptom of type 1)

I totally agree - I have had enough of people telling me its all ok if I drink the right tea. !! I have a CGM and an OmniPod. I just rode London to Paris to raise money for JDRF - it was the hardest thing I have ever done - but nobody told me it would all be fine. Lots of support and doing 100 miles per day for 4 days was a killer. I agree with all the threads that relate to helping find "a cure" by research development. Its not going to be for us.

Gos

Type 2 might have been a choice for me, but only if I knew my family history in detail (which I didn't until I was in my late 40s) and the proper preventative measures. I did try to eat healthy. You know, cut out the fat, chug down those healthy whole grains and fruits, and so on. For a lot of folks it's great advice (I guess). For those who are genetically super-prone to Type 2 diabetes? Not so much.

Obesity, by the way, was NOT part of my family history.

Unexplained weight loss is a known symptom of diabetes, so losing the weight is not a cure.

For various reasons, genetics, underlying medical conditions, use of certain medical treatments make us not just vulnerable, but super-vulnerable. For most of us, if we get any prevention advice at all, it's advice that puts us right on the Golden Path to Diabetes. And when we reach our destination -- hey, it's all our fault!

Guess I should've been omniscient. Isn't everyone?

I still take 1 T2 drug--Metformin. It seems to be the aspirin of diabetes....it keeps popping up with new uses in studies. I told the doctor I still wanted to take it as it has been shown to help prevent cancer (which is what killed my friend), and it has no side effects on me, so she said ok.