A cure would imply to me that these patients could go out and power some pizza and beer and be under 120 two hrs later?
Many seem to stay thin effortlessly because their bodies are burning ketones and their thyroids have ramped up their metabolism. Others have broken metabolisms that bypass muscle to shunt glucose to the liver and into fat and slow down at night when normal metabolisms are burning fuel. If your body won't deliver glucose to your muscles, you tire more easily. PCOS affects the metabolism before it affects blood glucose. If the mother's blood glucose is even slightly high because of stress or malnutrition (baby takes priority), androgen levels rise in the fetus, leading to the above metabolic abnormality and insulin resistance (see Abbott's research). Children seem normal at first, maybe a little furrier, but when adolescence hits, girls start gaining weight regardless of how little they eat. To say that the former group is more righteous than the latter or that the latter group just don't work hard enough is cruel.
Many of the comments being made on this discussion have unfortunately gotten off topic and, at times, deteriorated to a level of personal attack where comments have had to be removed.
Please, can we all refer back to the original post and keep this conversation on point? We do not want to get to the point where this discussion must be closed.
As a reminder, please refer to our community's values and keep the discussion supportive and positive.
Thank you!
I agree. I'd like to go through all of this and point to the things that I know to be basically false and applaud people for hanging in there however I am fried today and still have to go make some dinner (low carb, grilled chicken, I have been rocking the weight loss and BG are ok too, still using the insulin pump as I do not have any magic powder or whatever else is being sold in the thread).
I will say I totally disagree that type 2 can be cured. The roots are genetic and, while it can be *managed* with diet, exercise and perhaps magic powder, the roots of the disease will still be present and the pathologies will return upon administration of burritos, cheese fries, whole wheat bagela and other popular heaps of carbohydrates.
Surely a personal level is the most authentic level from which to approach the subject. Otherwise people would be reduced to statistical generalisations, which are dependent on probability. People need hope - not simplistic generalisations. Frankly for a person with diabetes to be told 'I've got a friend with that condition and he is alright' is not much help when your blood sugars are so high they are dragging your mood down. Some doctors respond by telling people on insulin that 'prolonged hypos can cause brain damage', as though the patient is stupid.
My feeling is that we all need a community, where we can share our personal experience of the condition. Is this wrong?
Cindy, that matches my own experience as a newly-diagnosed Type 2. I'm still on insulin, and I've drastically changed my diet (which was standard "healthy," but still wrong), and I exercise more. Without insulin, I will spike on pure water. After a time, the spikes will just keep on rising. So, yes, I've made lifestyle changes, and I manage my diabetes well. I don't expect a whole lot of complications down the road, either. But I also know my diabetes won't just go away if I behave myself.
We're both in the same boat, Dave. Well said!
When someone says "diabetes sucks and I hate it" or "for a person with diabetes to be told 'I've got a friend with that condition and he is alright' is not much help when your blood sugars are so high they are dragging your mood down" are communal topics.
When someone says "you are being a jerk..." or "people who complain to moderators have no backbone" it's a personal attack which, at least according to the rules, is sort of frowned upon. I also think that it's generally frowned upon by people who have hung out in the community to say gross generalizations about types, given the diversity of experiences that are reflected in the narratives of our stories. People dx'ed young, people dx'ed old, people dx'e in the middle, etc. Big people, little people, people who eat junk food and people who are way organic. People who walk, people who run, people who sit on the couch and people who can't walk because they don't have feet. There's no need to be negative and, reading through the thread, which is backfilled all over the place to the point where it's hard to summarize. We should be attacking the people outside of the barbed wire, not each other.
I can only speak from my experience with T2. If I work at it I can maintain reasonable control but the days of green chilli stew or beans and cornbread for dinner are gone forever.
I'm super pleased chucking the glipizide which produced awful mood swings as my bs peaked out at near 400 and would bottom out at 38 sometimes. passing a potato in the produce dept would be disasterous sometimes. My pancreas must be thankful now that the injected insulin takes over some of the load.
I really had to pry Lantus out of my doctor as my A1C was 7.0 or a bit lower and protocol didn't deem it necessary. With a little prodding from my diabetes educator,it got done.
Regarding herbal remedies,the only ones I would try would be from Germany as they have standardized extracts. I just don't know what's in the Asian herbal shops. Consumer Reports has done testing on supplements and herbal products with results being all over the map.
Avoidance of refined carbs with plenty of exercise,clean water and using my meds sure has helped me.
Thanks to all for your ideas and experiences.
Administrators:;you know what needs to be done. I agree with Acidrock above and all the other posters who object to personal attacks: Not very cool and not what Tudiabetes is about. To the nameless to me poster who said, " type two diabetes is a disorder, not a disease.....", I respectfully submit that you should Speak of what you know about type two, not what you surmise. That may render you mute for a bit, enough time to stop attacking others; and get to the heart of the matter about how YOU feel about being a type 1. I would appreciate you, and others who really want to help ,to get their own feelings , their own self-perceptions, clear. No types are "coddled" on this site:We are supported.
I have had type one for 45 years, have had pretty good health for the most part, but I never once thought I could help my type 2, or any other friends; by telling them how they do not want to be well. It does not help them at all!!
God Bless,
Brunetta
I've heard that about insulin resistance also...kind of makes me think T2 is just the end point of what is actually years of illness that nobody noticed or diagnosed. Kind of negates the it's all your fault argument.
Friend Judith ,
my Diabetes Specialist made that announcement at a CDA Expo , when someone in the audience asked her several years ago ..a Cure for type will be sooner, than the complex type 2 cure ...PS I said Au Revoir ( Good Bye ) a while back ...and yet I am back :)
Hunya - thank you for you comment. The above statement has been edited from "to a personal level" to "to a level of personal attack" in order to better state the intent. You are right - our personal experiences are very meaningful and important to share.
I agree with most medical 'authorities' being pretty clueless, with Bernstein being an exception. How does exercise affect your glucose levels? I find mine goes up and then comes down but in a complex manner, depending on time of day and food ingested. Do you have a regular routine?
I was diagnosed 8 years ago and for 7 of those years I heard it over and over. But my doctor was leading the pack with telling me I most not be following a low carb diet or I wasn't doing this or that. I STRUGGLED with my sugars going from toooooo high or back the other way with extreme lows. I changed Doctors and the first thing they did was checked the function of my pancreas. Long story short I am a type 1. They told me that a lot of type 2 diabetics are missed diagnosed. For the first time in 8 years my sugar is in control, my A1c over the last 10 months has been in the range 6.7 to my last test of 6.4. Yay me!!!!
When I was on T2 oral meds my bs went down when I walked, so I always ate a bit beforehand. Now that I am on insulin, my bs goes up slightly,then drops steadily. Go figure.
:) Thanks Marian.
Man, do I miss cornbread and beans. I don't think I've ever had green chili stew. I'll have to look up a recipe for that and see if I can't make a low carb version. Sounds good. :)