Should I change my diet?

As you guys know I have recently had my pancreas begin to work again for some weird reason. I was wondering if I should take this as a sign that I need to start to control my diabetes with diet alone. I wanted to ask if going on a low/no carb diet will stop my diabetes from coming back all together. I know we still have insulin resistance even when we do not eat any carbs at all. But does eating way less carbs slow down the destruction of the Beta cells? I can conceive giving up foods if it is a guaranteed fix to having to take meds, but some studies show that diabetes can continue to progress despite dietary changes and weight loss. It is nice not having to count carbs this week and worry about going low from the insulin. No more eat or die scenarios. Also, isn’t treating the high BG with insulin the same as treating it with diet? If you’re supplementing your insulin exogenously, doesn’t that still give your pancreas a break and help you preserve Beta cell function? Or does it just increase insulin resistance even further and burn out your pancreas as well? I did not gain weight on insulin like most do. I actually lost weight and my constant hunger went away. Before starting insulin, I used to be hungry day and night. Now I don’t even snack in between my 2 meals a day and never get crazy hungry. Well not unless I’m having a hypo. I still feel guilty for every carb I eat. I think of all of the damage I am doing to myself. It makes me feel like a failure when I see those of you who are controlling your BG with good diets. I started using the insulin because I could not stick with the dietary changes necessary to maintain my BG levels. I figured that treating the high BG was necessary through any means while I’ve been trying to make other changes to help to bring down my BG numbers. Also, do you guys think the Splenda is causing more insulin resistance? I’ve read some articles that state that drinking diet soft drinks can actually cause insulin resistance. I don’t see how this is possible seeing that I have been drinking diet Mountain dew for an hour now and my BG is in the 80’s. Any how, thanks for the advice.

J

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This is a topic that has been the subject of endless debate. Here’s the problem: Is insulin resistance a condition that exists, and therefore needs to be overcome via meds that reduce IR - like metformin - and/or meds (or insulin) to overpower the resistance? OR, is insulin resistance a result of the body “protecting itself” from an overabundance of insulin? If the former is correct, you carry on and “do what works” until things change or progress, and then you make appropriate adjustments. If the latter is correct, then the best approach is to reduce the amount of insulin running through your body in hopes of having the body respond by “lowering its guard” (and reducing insulin resistance).

The conventional medical community leans toward the first approach; however, there have been many small studies that seem to support the latter. Though I personally committed to generally eat a low-carb diet myself (at least most of the time) and have seen favorable results, I believe the real answer is that “it’s a lot more complicated than that.” Note - I still need injected insulin and will probably always need it; however, for me, moving to a low-carb diet seems to have dramatically decreased or even eliminated insulin resistance, as evidenced by my dramatically lower basal needs (of course, my bolus needs also went down with less carb intake).

The reality is that your diabetes is not my diabetes. What works for me may be terrible for you, and the reverse is also true. You have to be your own “science experiment” to find what works best for you. For example, I have been “hungry all the time” since diagnosis and controlling my BG with diet, exercise, insulin, low-carb (or earlier on, moderate-carb) made no difference whatsoever. Your experience is different. I did gain weight on insulin and have been fighting to lose that (I’m halfway back down - still a long way to go!). There is no “one size fits all” answer to diabetes. Each person is different.

You do not need to feel guilty for doing what works for you. Your results should dictate your actions.

Personally, I have been avoiding artificial sweeteners for most of the last year. I am unsure whether or not they have had an impact on my diabetes; however, the literature claiming there is such an impact is somewhat compelling. I still miss my Diet Coke, by the way. Don’t think I’ll get past that. For sweeteners, I stick with Stevia, Monkfruit extract, erithritol and xylitol – and I don’t find I need to or want to add them all that often. (Some people find Stevia bitter - can’t tell until you try…) For now, I’m sticking with skipping the Nutrisweet/Splenda/Saccharine sweeteners.

I wish there were definitive answers - of course, if there were, we’d have the cure by now!

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@Thas makes several good points. One of my large lessons learned is that too much insulin causes insulin resistance. I believe it’s the body’s way to defend itself from an overabundance of glucose.

Eating fewer carbs leads to less insulin needed (whether home-grown or injected). Less insulin means smaller mistakes. What I mean is that smaller insulin doses means overshooting (going too low) or undershooting (going too high) is much less when taking smaller doses. Less insulin also leads to restoring insulin sensitivity.

Since each of us varies some in our diabetes characteristics, the best way to identify your path forward is through personal experimentation. Do the test and write stuff down. If you do this, you’ll discover useful tactics that work for you.

I know you’re struggling with the possibility of restricting carbohydrates. I know what that hesitation feels like. I thought about doing it for an entire year before I took the leap. I felt a little bit silly when I found, after an initial adjustment period, it was easier than I thought it would be. I found many foods to replace my carb-heavy diet and found it satisfying. After the carb craving dies down, I found I could go 4-5 hours between meals without eating and not feeling hunger.

Good luck with your journey!

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Many people believe that beta cells are destroyed by blood sugar readings above 140. I adopted this goal upon diagnosis 7.5 years ago and am able to meet it most of the time. So far it seems to be working.

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You’ve gotten some excellent experience (I shy away from describing anything people say here as “advice”), especially from @Thas, and I agree absolutely with what was said: experiment and find what works best for you. Don’t get hung up on labels and what works for others, rather take ideas and try them and see what happens. However, one thing you said I feel I need to respond to:

You aren’t a failure at all: you are asking questions here to try to better manage your diabetes and get healthier. That makes you a success! The only kinds of “failure” that occur in diabetes management, in my opinion, are when medical professionals fail to properly diagnose and educate patients and when some diabetics “give up” and decide not to manage their condition at all. The former (medical incompetence) is entirely unacceptable; the latter (“diacide”) is terribly unfortunate and sad, but completely understandable. Managing diabetes (of any kind) on a daily basis is really difficult and time-consuming for most of us, and some people just give up. One of the reasons why we do what we do here is to try to help people so that they don’t give up and label themselves “failures.”

So, on to my point. I would hazard to say that no actual diabetic really manages their diabetes, for the long run, with “good diets.” It’s always more complicated than that! Genetics, amount of exercise, the details of disease progression (sometimes fast, sometimes slow), and the emotional and social support we get from family, medical professionals, and other diabetics all matter enormously. If you read the stories of the “old timers” on this and other forums, you’ll hear a common thread: “I started to manage my diabetes with diet and exercise after diagnosis, and it worked great for years (or months or even decades), and then it wasn’t working so well anymore; now I’m on insulin (or other meds or a combination), and I have great (or acceptable) control again even though I had a period of time where I didn’t.”

This is just my opinion, but I’m going to state it anyways: if one is an actual diabetic (Type 1, Type 2, MODY, MIDD, physical, or any other disorder characterized by insulin deficiency or critical insulin resistance), and one lives long enough, there will come a time when “diet and exercise” is no longer sufficient to maintain healthy glucose metabolism. That is what being a diabetic means: we have compromised glucose metabolism. Every type of diabetes (with MIDD and Type 1 b being possible exceptions) are progressive, so far as medical science has shown. This means that, on average, the longer someone has the disease the more likely they are to experience reduced beta cell function or total beta cell failure. There are, of course, exceptions. If I manage to get hit by a bus before I see an endocrinologist, I may go into the books as a “Type 1 who successfully controlled their blood glucose with oral medication, diet, and exercise alone.”

That would be a really poor description of both me and my disease, but it could be technically correct (if only because my GP won’t prescribe insulin and I haven’t yet seen my endo, who is dragging her heels because my BG management is “near-normal”). My ability to control my BG with diet and exercise (and Metformin) won’t stay static through time: I have LADA, and it is almost certain that I will eventually have much reduced capacity to make sufficient insulin even on a no-carb diet; if I were Type 2 (my original diagnosis, as with many of us), that is likely still very much the case.


tl;dr: Being on medication, whether that be orals or insulin therapy, does not make one a failure in any sense. Diabetes is a progressive disease, and what you’re doing today to manage it may not work next week or next year; adjustments in treatment must be made through time. Also, Your Diabetes May Vary: what works for me, or @Thas, or the rest of us here, won’t necessarily work for you in the same way.


P.S. All that being said, eating low-carb will probably make your life quite a bit easier on the daily management of blood glucose front, although it is difficult for some (many) people to maintain such a diet in the long term. If you have weight issues, truly committing to a low-carb diet and some exercise is like magic for losing weight! Check out Reddit - Dive into anything if you need evidence for this. Eating low-carb also reduces the amount of insulin you either need to inject or have your beta cells produce, so it is reasonable to expect that minimizing insulin needs will indeed prolong the life of your beta cell function. Then again, injecting insulin has also been shown to help prolong beta-cell function in both LADA and Type 2. Ultimately, you’ll have to make a decision about what the best way to treat your diabetes is; remember that what you decide today won’t necessarily be the best way to treat your diabetes next year or in five. And that is OK, not a sign of failure.

Cheers!

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Thanks for the detailed response. I guess in a way we are all different as I have lost weight on insulin. I do enjoy reading about how different people use different methods to bring their diabetes under control.

You have all given me some really good advice to think about. When I say I feel like a failure, it’s because I can’t change all of my dietary habits. I have cut down sweets to three times a month, and the fake sugar drinks. But I can’t cut it all out and I can’t cut even the fake sugar drinks, which kind of makes me feel like what would I do if there was no such thing as Splenda. I also know that being 80 pounds overweight is not good. I was able to lose 30 pounds in 3 months when I went through a major depression last year, but I have since gained some of the weight back. If I would have known about diabetes sooner, I would have never sucked down 15 sodas a day, or smoked cigarettes. Youngsters never take things seriously even though I saw my grandfather dealing with diabetes and my grandmother died from COPD. It never gets real until it happens to you. I have also had incompetent doctors. I had a doctor who said that 180 and under after a meal is acceptable. I could not accept these numbers so I started the rapid acting insulin. I had to bring my numbers back under control. I got tired of helplessly watching my BG hover at unacceptable levels. In order to fight the high BG, you have to have the right tools to do so. My new doc is surprised and shocked at how well I have been controlling my numbers on insulin. He could not believe my A1C went from 7.1 to 5.4 in 3 months. He says he has a hard time getting his other diabetic patients to comply. I don’t see why they are so afraid to give us insulin until we can make other changes to control our sugars. There are some patients that are so anti-med they think that once you start meds, you will always need them. I guess being on blood thinners for the rest of my life has changed my perception of being on meds. I don’t see it as a bad thing as long as it keeps you alive and complication free. I just have no will power. I am also an emotional eater. I eat when I am stressed, although way less now. Thanks for the support. I appreciate it. It is good to receive some encouragement from time to time.

J

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Why are you trying to cut out diet drinks? I mean, I get that people view artificial sweeteners as unhealthy and they probably are something to have in moderation, but if your main goal is to eat low carb, they aren’t a problem for that. Seems like most of us have to pick our battles, and for me, being fine with consuming some artificial sweeteners makes my diabetes a lot easier to manage. None of us are going to be perfect, and it’s about figuring what matters and is workable for you.

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Yeah, I wouldn’t not make it without the artificial sweeteners. I only consume 2 diet beverages a day. It is my way to get the sweet feeling without the high blood sugar. There is no point in even trying to control diabetes if you’re going to drink real sugar drinks. It would be counter-productive. I’m back on the insulin again though. I was doing well and then out of the blue my BG went from 99 to 140 without eating a single thing. It happened twice and I had to take 7 units to correct it. I guess my body is all out of whack again. I had a good 10 days though. Now it’s back to carb counting and using insulin to control my post-prandial BG spikes.

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Stevia is my primary sweetener.
Check out Chia Seeds as a hunger buster. They absorb a lot of liquid and expand when they are soaked. Supposedly they reduce the feeling of hunger.

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I have some chia seeds in the house - just haven’t found good ways to eat them.

I seldom have hunger and I need to gain, not lose weight. I normally add a teaspoon of Chia to my oatmeal or other cereal. Some suggest soaking in water or other liquid and drinking. I would not swallow dry without washing down with good amt of water.

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here’s @Terry4’s version of chia pudding

I think you meant this:

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I mostly drink my own blend of herbal teas–refrigerated, since hot liquids give me a hot flash—but I always have Zevia ginger ale on hand for bouts of nausea (as well as ginger tea) and Virgil’s Zero root beer for pleasure, 0 calories and zero carbs), both made with stevia. Both are also great for a couple good, satisfying chugs when I come in hot and sweaty from the garden…

As my mom used to say—all things in moderation–including moderation…

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I use chia seeds in low carb baking. I particularly like them in almond flour pancakes. My method is to put a tablespoon of chia seeds in the bowl and add a few table spoons of hot water. I then add egg, fat (may be cream, greek yoghurt, cream cheese - whatever I have on hand), erithyritol (my kids like things at least nominally sweet), baking power, and almond flour. Mix until smooth. Butter a pan and cook. the chia really helps the almond flour to stick well together. i find the texture is a little like poppy seeds (which I love)… I think ground chia could also be used on the texture front…

I also read of chia seeds being used in ground chicken pizza based, and also meat balls or beef patties (again for the sticking properties they impart)…

Yep, chia seeds are a common egg substitute in vegan recipes. You can look up “chia eggs” for a lot of ideas. It can help bind things together (although xanthan gum is better on this front, I think).

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Srevia is good too. I like that sweetener as well. I thank God for these sweeteners as they really satisfy the sweet tooth and do not damage our BG levels. It makes cutting sugar from the diet easier to stomach.

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